# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/21 "2004-11-02T18:04:04Z")
[Victory!!!](http://www.guampdn.com/news/updates/9807.html) > [@](#): > > PRESIDENTIAL RACE > • George W. Bush 17,264 > • John Kerry 9,540 > • Ralph Nader 153 > • Campagna Badnarik 53 > > Source: Guam Election Commission Hey, every small victory, right?.. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/22 "2004-11-02T18:12:06Z")
How many electoral votes does Guam have, again? And did they beat Dixville Notch, NH to the wire reports this time? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/23 "2004-11-02T18:13:13Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > [Victory!!!](http://www.guampdn.com/news/updates/9807.html) > > Hey, every small victory, right?.. 😕 Guam has no votes in the EC. Why do they even have a ballot line for the presidential election? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/24 "2004-11-02T18:21:44Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Fox reporting a lawsuit already filed in Ohio. > > I have a bad feeling that Ohio is the new Florida… And the sad thing is that Florida hasn’t stopped being the old Florida. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/25 "2004-11-02T18:47:46Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > I marked straight-ticket Republican, randomly voted on the much-sought-after Wayne State University Board of Somethinerother and assorted sundry positions, and left. Huzzah! Huh? The WSU Board of Trustees is part of your partisan ballot. Voting straight ticket also fills in these. If you voted staight ticket as well as punched in the other partisan part of the ballot, you may have voided your ballot! ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/26 "2004-11-02T18:49:48Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > How many electoral votes does Guam have, again? And did they beat Dixville Notch, NH to the wire reports this time? _Dixville Notch_? I bet they could use a local chapter of the American Cornhole Association! And hey, I’ll take any votes. Sure, they are of the non-EC/worthless category, but it’ll help make the final numbers look a weeee bit better, and every bit counts… ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/27 "2004-11-02T19:00:42Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Huh? The WSU Board of Trustees is part of your partisan ballot. Voting straight ticket also fills in these. If you voted staight ticket as well as punched in the other partisan part of the ballot, you may have voided your ballot! Nah. A) Machine spits out invalid ballots, as the dear old grandma in front of me proved a few times. B) It was actually the ‘something something judge of something’ or something. Give me dramatic license, won’t you!? ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/28 "2004-11-02T19:04:29Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > How many electoral votes does Guam have, again? And did they beat Dixville Notch, NH to the wire reports this time? None; and Of course they would, it’s already November 3 on that side of the International Dateline. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/29 "2004-11-02T19:05:31Z")
Permit me to note publicly how much I’ve enjoyed reading your most recent posts, **Brutus** , even when you’ve been full of shit. Um, you did cast an overvote, you know - that would have invalidated your ballot in Florida in 2000. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/30 "2004-11-02T19:12:02Z")
Dang it Brutus I thought I had you. But you’re right if you voted for judicial offices plus the partisan ones-that’s fully legit. But take heart that you will not be represented by electors for president. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/31 "2004-11-02T19:14:39Z")
[Drudge](http://www.drudgereport.com/) > [@](#): > > KERRY CAMPAIGN FINDS COMFORT IN FIRST BATCH OF EXIT POLLS > > ``` > National Election Pool -- representing six major news organization -- shows Kerry in striking distance -- with small lead -- in Florida and Ohio.. MORE... > > ``` Dear Lucifer, I know I’ve been a horrible Satanist, but please… ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/32 "2004-11-02T19:19:54Z")
I’m quite interested to see what the turn out is. Not just in battleground states, but it seems to be high in states where the EC vote is _fait accompli_. Bless everyone who votes today, no matter the candidate or the reason. Nothing pulls this country together like contempt for the other guy. For lunch today I went for a wet burrito in the VIP lounge on Treasure Island. One part of the background conversation (which seemed to generally favor Bush, good to see him carrying the margaritas-at-noon crowd), went like this: “xxx said that the Kerry people are cleaning up the drunks in downtown St. Pete, giving them a meal and taking them to the polls if they vote for Kerry.” A :dubious: assertion at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/33 "2004-11-02T19:21:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Um, you did cast an overvote, you know - that would have invalidated your ballot in Florida in 2000. The machine would have spit it back, if I actually did what I originally decribed and selected non-Pubs. I used a bit of artistic license, since I couldn’t rememeber the obscure name of what I was voting for in the non-partisan (pffft) part of the ballot. (Some flavor of judge, apparently.) I’ll be in the corner, savouring our clear-cut victory in Guam. Who know’s, US Virgin Islands next? Dare we dream of Puerto Rico? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/34 "2004-11-02T19:26:39Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > But take heart that you will not be represented by electors for president. 😕 Because of the tattoo? But everyone loves Roman Legionnaires… Hold on, I have to put Guam back in the fridge. Now I am going to savour the irony of **DtC** quoting Drudge… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/35 "2004-11-02T19:29:04Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Huh? The WSU Board of Trustees is part of your partisan ballot. Voting straight ticket also fills in these. If you voted staight ticket as well as punched in the other partisan part of the ballot, you may have voided your ballot! Hmm… The fine print on the ballot I filled out said something like “If you select the straight ticket option, and select an individual candidate that selection will supersede the straight ticket.” In other words, you could pick a straight-ticket option (my ballot even had a “Libertarian” straight ticket :)), and then override that on select candidates. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/36 "2004-11-02T19:32:31Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > …“xxx said that the Kerry people are cleaning up the drunks in downtown St. Pete, giving them a meal and taking them to the polls if they vote for Kerry.” … Oldest political urban legend ever. Every urban environment recycles precisely the same malarkey, only thing changes is the part of town they “reside” in. How much would you have to spend to pay people to perform such a repugnant task, find the targets, get them to a shower, buy them clothes and food, and then have enough to bribe their cooperation with. Your average wino has a jones that demands maintenance, he ain’t waiting till 6 pm, you gotta bring it with you. For what, maybe a hundred votes? I note with pleasure the corrupting influence of humor on friend **Brutus** , as do others. Just a few more steps, and he’s ours… (Don’t think so? In '64, I was an Objectivist Mensa member working for Goldwater. Then I began to chuckle…and here I am.) ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/37 "2004-11-02T19:34:08Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > 😕 > > Because of the tattoo? But everyone loves Roman Legionnaires… > > Hold on, I have to put Guam back in the fridge. Now I am going to savour the irony of **DtC** quoting Drudge… 😉 Because Kerry will carry Michigan and your slate of electors will not be voting. ---
**Author:** ![mack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mack)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/38 "2004-11-02T19:37:56Z")
According to VNS via MyDD and Kos Kerry leads by 20 in PA, 4 in OH, 3 in FL, 4 in Michigan, 18 in Minn., 9 in Wisc. If early exit polls tend to favor republicans, this looks good for Kerry indeed. Grain of salt and all that. > **[Exit polls](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2004/11/2/68108/-)** > > Jerome over at MyDD gets the big scoop on the 2 p.m. VNS NEP numbers: > > AZ CO LA PA OH FL MI NM MN WI IA NH > Kerry 45 48 42 60 52 51 51 50 58 52 49 57 > Bush 55 51 57 4... ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/39 "2004-11-02T19:40:22Z")
Hey. Good luck with whomever you elect (…if Kerry you’re gonna need it… heh heh). All elections are mostly an exercise in damage control. And just to keep check on you guys and make sure everything is up to international standards and such, Denmark has send an official to monitor your election – a communist election official even, long time member of the pro-Soviet Communistic Party. Cheaters will be sent to reeducation camp. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2004, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/40 "2004-11-02T20:00:41Z")
Just thought I’d point out that everyone’s favorite troublemaker, [Michael Moore,](http://www.michaelmoore.com/) is collecting stories of voter supression and challenges, complete with color-coded threat levels. Click on the map to read the reports from each state. Not surprisingly, Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania are deep with troublemakers… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=3)