# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/561 "2004-11-03T05:41:05Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > I’m not certain that Fox counts as a legitimate news source. Nevertheless … if the Cleveland area is all counted (and I understand that it is), the numbers right now clearly indicate a Bush victory. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/562 "2004-11-03T05:41:10Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > Y’all might like [this link](http://www.ianchadwick.com/tequila/index.html) if you enjoy tequila. > Tequila is restricted to Mexico…nobody else in the world can make it IIRC I can’t quote the laws but if it don’t say _hecho in mexico_ it ain’t tequila. also the use of agave has a history dating back to like 7000BCE :eek: Good link, only 14 pages of Tequila info. Need more. Tequila that is. ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/563 "2004-11-03T05:41:17Z")
Besides Cuyahoga–Warren, Miami, Clermont, and Lucas counties in OH still have large numbers of precincts that haven’t reported yet. All are fairly populous and are skewing heavily Democratic. Other populous counties Hamilton 44% reported- skewing slightly to Kerry. Medina 67% - skewing to Bush Paulding has 0% reporting so far. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/564 "2004-11-03T05:41:46Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > Fucking bug hunt, man. “We’re screwed, man! We’re SCREWED!” ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/565 "2004-11-03T05:42:11Z")
Massive. Civil. Unrest. If Bush really won, the next four years are going to be uhhh-gleeee. Not necessarily a civil war, but it won’t be pretty. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/566 "2004-11-03T05:42:21Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > I’m not certain that Fox counts as a legitimate news source. Why? Their coverage has seemed to be as good as the other one’s I’ve been watching tonight…better than most even. They were the last to go with Florida to Bush. I think this is a knee jerk reaction. -XT ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/567 "2004-11-03T05:43:19Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Nevertheless … if the Cleveland area is all counted (and I understand that it is), the numbers right now clearly indicate a Bush victory. CLEVELAND IS NOT COMPLETELY COUNTED!!! As of this second: PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT Vote for 1 (With 1351 of 1458 precincts counted) MICHAEL BADNARIK/RICHARD V. CAMPAGNA 1695 GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY 202355 JOHN F. KERRY/JOHN EDWARDS 403783 CANDIDATE DISQUALIFIED 0 MICHAEL A. PEROUTKA/CHUCK BALDWIN 1815 ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/568 "2004-11-03T05:43:40Z")
FNC had been fairly conservative in calling states so I am surprised that they would call Ohio if it wasn’t fairly secure. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/569 "2004-11-03T05:43:44Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > Good link, only 14 pages of Tequila info. Need more. Tequila that is. ya like that did ya? I thought ya mite…man I’m nursing the last of mine…where the hell you at…I thought you said you had a new bottle? ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/570 "2004-11-03T05:43:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But you’d be outraged if an elector defected in a way you didn’t like, right? Yep. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/571 "2004-11-03T05:44:22Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > Besides Cuyahoga–Warren, Miami, Clermont, and Lucas counties in OH still have large numbers of precincts that haven’t reported yet. All are fairly populous and are skewing heavily Democratic. > > Other populous counties > Hamilton 44% reported- skewing slightly to Kerry. > Medina 67% - skewing to Bush > > Paulding has 0% reporting so far. I had seen a county-by-count map that showed that the Cincinatti area went all Bush in 2000. That may not mean much in 2004 – but I was thinking that Bush only needed to survive a hit from the Cleveland area to take Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/572 "2004-11-03T05:44:48Z")
BTW, looks to me like New Mexico is going to go Bush…its almost getting to the point Kerry can’t win here either. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/573 "2004-11-03T05:45:19Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > Besides Cuyahoga–Warren, Miami, Clermont, and Lucas counties in OH still have large numbers of precincts that haven’t reported yet. All are fairly populous and are skewing heavily Democratic. > > Other populous counties > Hamilton 44% reported- skewing slightly to Kerry. > Medina 67% - skewing to Bush > > Paulding has 0% reporting so far. The Ohio Elections [web site](http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP) has updated numbers. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/574 "2004-11-03T05:45:53Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > CLEVELAND IS NOT COMPLETELY COUNTED!!! > > As of this second: > > (With 1351 of 1458 precincts counted) Technically, you are correct. But it’s close enough. Well over 90% of the Cleveland area is in. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/575 "2004-11-03T05:46:26Z")
They just gave Washington State to Kerry…they say Ohio ain’t in yet? Stepanopolis? is talking about atie? nbc :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/576 "2004-11-03T05:46:42Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > Massive. Civil. Unrest. > > If Bush really won, the next four years are going to be uhhh-gleeee. Not necessarily a civil war, but it won’t be pretty. For what legitimate reason? Bush is clearly going to win the popular vote, fairly decisively. If he wins the EV, what’s your basis for being upset? The voters have spoken. I didn’t vote for him either, but I accept the result. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/577 "2004-11-03T05:46:49Z")
Fox may have been premature in calling Ohio. MSNBC just said that that Kerry is doing extremely well in Cleveland, and may close the gap. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/578 "2004-11-03T05:46:54Z")
Haven’t had a chance to skim the thread, but what’s this I hear about 90,000+ absentee ballots in Florida that won’t be counted until Thursday? WTF? ---
**Author:** ![EsotericEnigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e274bd/32.png) [@EsotericEnigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EsotericEnigma)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/579 "2004-11-03T05:46:55Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > Massive. Civil. Unrest. > > If Bush really won, the next four years are going to be uhhh-gleeee. Not necessarily a civil war, but it won’t be pretty. I wish, but it wont happen. Getting punched in the stomach twice sort of takes the will to resist right out of you. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/580 "2004-11-03T05:46:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But you’d be outraged if an elector defected in a way you didn’t like, right? This is worth its own thread, but look at it this way; how can you be outraged by a elector “defecting” either way? The system is set up such that electors can vote however they please. It’s like getting pissed over someone winning the EV without winning the popular vote. There’s nothing to be pissed about because that’s not the way the system works. If you’re going to have the President elected by Electors, you have to accept that that’s how it works and if they decide to exercise their Constitutional powers, well, them’s the breaks. As Zell Miller shows, it might not necessarily be a Republican who jumps ranks. Ain’t gonna matter this year; Bush is taking Ohio. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=30)