# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/641 "2004-11-03T06:15:55Z")
> [@Random](#): > > Some of the remaining states that looked good for Kerry an hour ago are trending towards Bush. IA, WI, NV could go for Bush. They’re all very close. WI goes Kerry. Milwaukee carried him. Waukesha county and the other republican counties are pretty much accounted for. You can put WI in the Blue. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/642 "2004-11-03T06:16:10Z")
Why does this have to be left vs. right? I voted against Bush because I hate BUSH, not republicans. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Raven\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@The\_Raven\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Raven_1)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/643 "2004-11-03T06:16:55Z")
Howyadoin, When the 2000 election hung by a thread, some assumed that all the whining and bitching on both sides was inspired by the narrow margin of victory. We now see that was untrue. Modern-day American candy-asses have been indoctrinated to bitch and whine any time things don’t go their way, regardless of conditions. No matter who wins or loses, the country remains divided, dancing and dueling like a pair of Punch & Judy marionettes, riding the strings being pulled by the spin masters. If you believe MoveOn or DemocraticUnderground, you are a puppet. Same thing if you believe NewsMax or WorldNetDaily. Dance, my pretties, dance… There will be plenty of violins to provide accompaniment. Some soaring, some sobbing. All carrying strings of their own. -Rav ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/644 "2004-11-03T06:17:02Z")
[QUOTE] [B[Loch\*\* buddy we know what you’re saying, and I’m not saying you’re wrong. But the winners can’t bitch about the officiating, at least not IMHO Touche! Brokaw isn’t even trying to be impartial. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/645 "2004-11-03T06:17:26Z")
> [@Loopydude](#): > > Well, nobody with certainty, but I’m not surprised. You can’t be with a statistical dead-heat going in. Right. Except that I have consistently predicted this event, bet money on it, been ridiculed for it, and remained steadfast in my conviction for over 30 months. I sure gave a good impression of certainty, didn’t I? ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/646 "2004-11-03T06:18:08Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nope. For the past four years, I have listened to the majority of this board tell me that Bush was evil, that he couldn’t possibly win, and in the face of that I have steadfastly maintained that he would. I posted a thread announcing that Bush had won LAST YEAR. Through it all, this collection of left-leaning posters assured each other that they were right, that all correct-thinking people agreed, and that somehow there were hordes of cell phone users screwing up the polls. Every time I’d suggest that reasonable people could disagree, someone would come along and call me evil, selfish, or stupid. > > I believe that the events of tonight should open the eyes of the left: you are marginalized and getting more so. As long as your party continues along this path, you will continue to lose. > > No shutting up for me. I’ve had to take it here for the past four years. Now it’s your turn. You’ve had to take absolutely nothing; you choose to read what you want. Bush _is_ an evil man, and I don’t know what act of Satan allowed such a decisive victory, but I think that given a more active Democratic campaign, it would be a clear win in the other direction. That’s really great that you predicted it last year, but you know what? No one cares. Really. Smile at yourself in the mirror, pat yourself on the back, but none of that matters to anyone but yourself. My request was that you shut up _here_. I don’t give a crap if you start 10,000 threads about how prophetic you are, but I’ll exercise the same right you had – to not read them. I do read this thread, however, as do a lot of people who I’m sure have no desire to see this turn into a “congratulate me” party. ---
**Author:** ![Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/57b2e6/32.png) [@Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Random)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/647 "2004-11-03T06:18:21Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > WI goes Kerry. Milwaukee carried him. Waukesha county and the other republican counties are pretty much accounted for. You can put WI in the Blue. That’s the way I’m betting too, but it’s a tight race. Tighter than it looked an hour ago. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/648 "2004-11-03T06:19:16Z")
I can’t even figure out how to use the quote function. I’m the poster-boy for all stupid Republicans. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/649 "2004-11-03T06:19:22Z")
> [@The\_Raven](#): > > Howyadoin, > > When the 2000 election hung by a thread, some assumed that all the whining and bitching on both sides was inspired by the narrow margin of victory. We now see that was untrue. Modern-day American candy-asses have been indoctrinated to bitch and whine any time things don’t go their way, regardless of conditions. > > No matter who wins or loses, the country remains divided, dancing and dueling like a pair of Punch & Judy marionettes, riding the strings being pulled by the spin masters. If you believe MoveOn or DemocraticUnderground, you are a puppet. Same thing if you believe NewsMax or WorldNetDaily. > > Dance, my pretties, dance… There will be plenty of violins to provide accompaniment. Some soaring, some sobbing. All carrying strings of their own. > > -Rav Not around often but when you do show up you bring the heat, good post. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/650 "2004-11-03T06:19:35Z")
> [@Loopydude](#): > > Yeesh, that looks like Nader cost him the election. Total replay of 2000. Nope. The Democractic party, which was unable to accomodate the Nader voters, bears all the blame. Assuming, of course, that Bush wins. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/651 "2004-11-03T06:19:57Z")
> [@Eleusis](#): > > Congrats, Bricker. I was too chicken to get in with you on the ground floor. Celebrate good times come on! Thanks much! Next time – courage of your convictions! ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/652 "2004-11-03T06:20:33Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > you are marginalized and getting more so. There’s an unintentional accuracy in this statement perhaps…looking at the map I’m still struck by the geography…blue is kinda pushed out to the edges… ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/653 "2004-11-03T06:20:48Z")
Lighten up Caphis. You’re sounding like a secular doomsayer. You lost, try to do so with some grace and class like most other posters are. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/654 "2004-11-03T06:20:53Z")
> [@caphis](#): > > My request was that you shut up _here_. I don’t give a crap if you start 10,000 threads about how prophetic you are, but I’ll exercise the same right you had – to not read them. I do read this thread, however, as do a lot of people who I’m sure have no desire to see this turn into a “congratulate me” party. Ya. Unlike you with your ‘Bush is evil’ glurge in this thread. :rolleyes: Bush - _Fuck Yeah!_ ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/655 "2004-11-03T06:21:08Z")
What i can’t figure out is with all the ranting and raving by vocal ABB’ers about how much Bush has been frelling up the country, i got the feeling that Bush had reason to be worried, it seems that almost everyone i’ve spoken with thought that Bush was a dribbling moron yet, the current results seem to bear out the fact that his “silent” majority had a lot more pull than the browbeating ABB’ers personally, i’m a Republican, but don’t hold that against me, i broke from party lines, held my nose and cast my vote for Kerry, personally, i’ve not been impressed with Bush, but i’m not going to get into that here, this isn’t the thread for it it looks like Bush has this one in the bag, it was a good fight, but he won, lets move on and deal with the results, throwing a temper tantrum won’t help anything and lets hope that both parties return to their roots for the next election ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/656 "2004-11-03T06:22:09Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Lighten up Caphis. You’re sounding like a secular doomsayer. You lost, try to do so with some grace and class like most other posters are. And I suppose whooping up and down shouting about how you called it a year ago is a classy way to win, eh? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/657 "2004-11-03T06:22:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nope. For the past four years, I have listened to the majority of this board tell me that Bush was evil, that he couldn’t possibly win, and in the face of that I have steadfastly maintained that he would. Well, I maintain that Bush _is_ basically evil (i.e intellectually deficient and/or morally bankrupt, and completely incapable of responsible leadership. Just because the small majority voted for him doesn’t make them right. > [@](#): > > I posted a thread announcing that Bush had won LAST YEAR. Through it all, this collection of left-leaning posters assured each other that they were right, that all correct-thinking people agreed, and that somehow there were hordes of cell phone users screwing up the polls. Every time I’d suggest that reasonable people could disagree, someone would come along and call me evil, selfish, or stupid. Well genius, _until a very few hours ago, it was for all intents and purposes **a statistical tie** _. Congratulations. You “called” it. The Democrats on the board “called” it. One of you had to be right, and up until this afternoon you could flip a coin and have the same chance of being correct as you do. > [@](#): > > I believe that the events of tonight should open the eyes of the left: you are marginalized and getting more so. As long as your party continues along this path, you will continue to lose. > > No shutting up for me. I’ve had to take it here for the past four years. Now it’s your turn. Well, the Democrats lost the last election, and now they’ve also lost this one. But poor persecuted little you has had to “take it” for the past four years. What makes you think the the center/left-leaning part of the SDMB will suddently lie down and “take their turn.” Now they’ll be four _more_ miserable years full of Bush screw-ups to criticize. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/658 "2004-11-03T06:22:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nope. For the past four years, I have listened to the majority of this board tell me that Bush was evil, that he couldn’t possibly win, and in the face of that I have steadfastly maintained that he would. I posted a thread announcing that Bush had won LAST YEAR. Through it all, this collection of left-leaning posters assured each other that they were right, that all correct-thinking people agreed, and that somehow there were hordes of cell phone users screwing up the polls. Every time I’d suggest that reasonable people could disagree, someone would come along and call me evil, selfish, or stupid. > > I believe that the events of tonight should open the eyes of the left: you are marginalized and getting more so. As long as your party continues along this path, you will continue to lose. > > No shutting up for me. I’ve had to take it here for the past four years. Now it’s your turn. **Bricker** , congratulations. You seem like a very good guy and I understand where you’re coming from. You called this one right and this Board skews the other way. Unfortunately less cool heads here heap you in with some others who I have less than sympathetic feelings for. I’m sorry for that. Truly. That said, a 52-53% vs 47-48% victory hardly shows that the left is marginalized. Perhaps less fervent, disorganized, and lacking as common a goal as some of the things that Rove and Hughes have used to get out the votes. And from a purely tactical standpoint you have to hand it to the RNC. They really did a great job in energizing their base. If this were all it was to it then I could go to sleep tonight and sleep easy. Just different Americans viewing the game from a slightly different angle. But there are just too many “boogymen” floated out by the RNC that make my blood run cold. Things that are truly divisive and don’t have a future in bringing the country back together. George W. Bush said, during the 2000 campaign, that he was “a uniter, not a divider”. So far I’ve not seen that. I hope to see it more in the future. Otherwise I fear the path this country is taking.\* \*FWIW, I’d have similar fears if Kerry were to have won. But at least it would be a jog back across the centerline. I personally prefer a moderate country, not when we run to extremes. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/659 "2004-11-03T06:22:49Z")
Iowa is now looking like it might go to Bush. He’s opened up a 4,000 vote lead with over 90% reporting. May I make a humble suggestion, speaking as a foreigner who hasn’t had a government he approves of in power for most of his adult life? Take a pill. Chill out. The world didn’t end. Take a break from politics if you’re spitting mad. Focus on your family, your hobbies. And you might try realizing that half your country isn’t made up of drooling idiots, but people who have honest disagreements about policy. You’re stuck with Bush for four more years - you can spend it whining and kicking, or you can try to understand the other side for a change. That doesn’t mean you have to vote Republican, but you could at least consider being civil and understanding about your differences. It’d be a nice change. ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/660 "2004-11-03T06:23:39Z")
ABC now thinks Kerry will carry OH. At least Peter Jennings just said that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=34)