# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/661 "2004-11-03T06:24:28Z")
> [@caphis](#): > > You’ve had to take absolutely nothing; you choose to read what you want. Bush _is_ an evil man, and I don’t know what act of Satan allowed such a decisive victory, but I think that given a more active Democratic campaign, it would be a clear win in the other direction. That’s really great that you predicted it last year, but you know what? No one cares. Really. Smile at yourself in the mirror, pat yourself on the back, but none of that matters to anyone but yourself. > > My request was that you shut up _here_. I don’t give a crap if you start 10,000 threads about how prophetic you are, but I’ll exercise the same right you had – to not read them. I do read this thread, however, as do a lot of people who I’m sure have no desire to see this turn into a “congratulate me” party. I refuse. Sorry. And now let me ridicule this thought… "…given a more active Democratic campaign, it would be a clear win in the other direction. " Uh huh, well, that’s a fascinating insight. Amazing how it only came now. It would have been far more credible if you had been saying this since last week, when you were presumably apprised of the strength of the Democratic campaign. No. This was a rejection of the left by a majority of the voters. Period. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/662 "2004-11-03T06:24:28Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Of course he did. > > I fucking hate this country. Then fucking leave. ---
**Author:** ![ShockingAlberto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ea924/32.png) [@ShockingAlberto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShockingAlberto)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/663 "2004-11-03T06:24:42Z")
I don’t get it. How exactly does a Bush victory prove anything besides that the American electorate is controlled by fear? I mean, I don’t mean to piss on your party or everything, but Bush’s campaign has basically been “Stick with me or you’ll die.” I still don’t know what his plans for the next four years are, nor do I know how he intends to get out of Iraq, nor have I seen him remorseful for any mistakes he’s made. I’m sorry, but you can’t just assume that people voted for Bush because the country is becoming progressively conservative and the left is becoming marginalized. I would grudgingly grant you this if Bush’s campaign were based on anything but the ideas that wolves will kill you and Kerry’s a flip-flopper, but as I see it, Bush played the “I can protect you” shtick for all its worth. Does it mean Americans are becoming more conservative? Possible. I wouldn’t say it’s likely, though, at least until Bush starts becoming a conservative. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/664 "2004-11-03T06:25:25Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > ABC now thinks Kerry will carry OH. At least Peter Jennings just said that. 100,000 vote difference still. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/665 "2004-11-03T06:26:06Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > I can’t even figure out how to use the quote function. I’m the poster-boy for all stupid Republicans. :smack: as much as I’d like to agree w/ ya buddy, I’d like to correct you [this guy](http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39350000/jpg/_39350125_bush_ap.jpg) is the poster-boy for ALL stupid Republicans. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/666 "2004-11-03T06:26:36Z")
Kerry is not conceding Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/667 "2004-11-03T06:27:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I refuse. Sorry. > > And now let me ridicule this thought… "…given a more active Democratic campaign, it would be a clear win in the other direction. " Uh huh, well, that’s a fascinating insight. Amazing how it only came now. It would have been far more credible if you had been saying this since last week, when you were presumably apprised of the strength of the Democratic campaign. > > No. This was a rejection of the left by a majority of the voters. Period. If it makes you feel better to ridicule that thought, go ahead. If you want to mentally masturbate to the fact that you “called it” last year, go ahead. For your information, I’ve never been overly happy with this campaign, and I don’t care – at all – how ‘credible’ that statement is to you. > [@Sam Stone](#): > > The world didn’t end. Not yet. We’ve got 4 years to go. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/668 "2004-11-03T06:27:15Z")
**touche’** 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/669 "2004-11-03T06:27:15Z")
> [@ShockingAlberto](#): > > I don’t get it. That is abundantly clear. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/670 "2004-11-03T06:27:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nope. For the past four years, I have listened to the majority of this board tell me that Bush was evil, that he couldn’t possibly win, and in the face of that I have steadfastly maintained that he would. I posted a thread announcing that Bush had won LAST YEAR. Through it all, this collection of left-leaning posters assured each other that they were right, that all correct-thinking people agreed, and that somehow there were hordes of cell phone users screwing up the polls. Every time I’d suggest that reasonable people could disagree, someone would come along and call me evil, selfish, or stupid. > > I believe that the events of tonight should open the eyes of the left: you are marginalized and getting more so. As long as your party continues along this path, you will continue to lose. > > No shutting up for me. I’ve had to take it here for the past four years. Now it’s your turn. …I actually think that you will find that in a couple of years time, the eyes of the American “right” will have their eyes opened…as long as your country continues along the path you are on, the United States will become more and more marginalised internationally-you already can’t get any more international support for that debacle in Iraq, New Zealand pulled thier forces out a month or so ago because due to lack of security-there was NOTHING THEY COULD DO. Congradulations America, if Bush does win the election tonight-you’ve just lost any respect your country could hope to gain from this little corner of the world. Good Luck. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/671 "2004-11-03T06:28:19Z")
Actually Caphis I never posted anything of the sort. You do, however, need to relax and take a break from all of this, Jennings is an utter disgrace. The Networks haven’t even bothered to make an effort to disguise their bias. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/672 "2004-11-03T06:28:22Z")
> [@ShockingAlberto](#): > > How exactly does a Bush victory prove anything besides that the American electorate is controlled by fear? Never underestimate the dark powers of Karl Rove… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Suse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@Suse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suse)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/673 "2004-11-03T06:28:26Z")
> [@](#): > > And you might try realizing that half your country isn’t made up of drooling idiots, but people who have honest disagreements about policy. I would honestly feel much better if the Bush supporters I have spoken to actually paid attention to his policies, and merely disagreed with my views. Unfortunately, the majority of the ones I have met personally say things like “He’s a good man; he has high morals. He prays.” as if that has anything to do with actually running the country. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/674 "2004-11-03T06:29:43Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > ABC now thinks Kerry will carry OH. At least Peter Jennings just said that. If he gets a big majority share of the provisional ballots…oy vey…litigation? ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/675 "2004-11-03T06:30:10Z")
:rolleyes: People actully say that ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/676 "2004-11-03T06:30:52Z")
Did my ears just deceive me or did they just call OHIO for Kerry? ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/677 "2004-11-03T06:31:17Z")
Most likely it will not happen. Kerry would need a huge majority of these nonsensical provisional ballots. God Jennings sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/678 "2004-11-03T06:31:19Z")
> [@Suse](#): > > I would honestly feel much better if the Bush supporters I have spoken to actually paid attention to his policies, and merely disagreed with my views. Unfortunately, the majority of the ones I have met personally say things like “He’s a good man; he has high morals. He prays.” as if that has anything to do with actually running the country. Please review my posts on this board for examples of defense of Bush’s policies that go well beyond “he prays.” ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/679 "2004-11-03T06:31:35Z")
> [@](#): > > **Neurotik** : I fucking hate this country. > [@](#): > > **Lonesome** : Then fucking leave. The tradition in America is to work to make it a better country – not to abandon it when its in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/680 "2004-11-03T06:31:56Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > Did my ears just deceive me or did they just call OHIO for Kerry? The called _Oregon_ for Kerry on ABC… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=35)