# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/721 "2004-11-03T06:50:52Z")
Look at it this way, if we follow the popular vote trend then Bush will win Ohio, NM and Iowa. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/722 "2004-11-03T06:51:17Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Look. Iraq is a mess, but if you think it’s worse than Vietnam, you don’t know what you’re talking about. **"It’s not worse than Vietnam"** \* --The best thing Republicans can say about Iraq.\* ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/723 "2004-11-03T06:52:02Z")
Kerry needs 75% of the provisionals to win in Ohio. I would be astonished if he got that. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/724 "2004-11-03T06:52:05Z")
Don’t forget the popular vote. That mattered a lot when Gore won it by half a million. Bush is up 3 million in the popular vote, which is a pretty good margin in a presidential election. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/725 "2004-11-03T06:52:29Z")
With the way the Repub headquarters is raisng hell in Ohio I’m about half afraid we might actually wind up with a tie. wouldn’t that be a HELL of a note? ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/726 "2004-11-03T06:52:51Z")
But Kerry has to win Ohio or the best he can hope for is a tie that would go to a Republican House for a decision. I will be pleased when the commentators are free to discuss the exit polls and the discrepencies. Ron Silver (Silverman?) said that it’s because people lie in exit polls, then went on to describe how celebrities are ashamed of saying that they support Bush. \ So I guess there are all of these celebrities all over Florida who threw off the exit polls. Why were they all ashamed of supporting Bush? You would think the liars would even out for both sides, but I guess not. :rolleyes: I’m not faulting the Pubbies on that – just Silver/Silverman’s theory. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/727 "2004-11-03T06:53:10Z")
10822 of 11477 precincts - 94 percent George W. Bush (i) Rep 2,639,180 - 51 percent John F. Kerry Dem 2,532,530 - 49 percent Michael Badnarik NP 13,673 - 0 percent Michael Peroutka NP 11,493 - 0 percent ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/728 "2004-11-03T06:53:42Z")
Oh hell … new hampshire just got an upset and went to Kerry ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/729 "2004-11-03T06:54:38Z")
Wasn’t it always going that way? ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/730 "2004-11-03T06:54:50Z")
Minnesota just went to Kerry ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/731 "2004-11-03T06:55:42Z")
Ohio SOS about to speak. If the provisional ballots are less than 150k then it’s all over. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/732 "2004-11-03T06:55:49Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Don’t forget the popular vote. That mattered a lot when Gore won it by half a million. Since when? All we heard from you for the last four years was that the popluar vote didn’t matter, just the EC. Why are you changing your tune now? ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/733 "2004-11-03T06:55:57Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Wasn’t it always going that way? no it was supposed to be a Bush state… ---
**Author:** ![passengerpigeon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/58f4c7/32.png) [@passengerpigeon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/passengerpigeon)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/734 "2004-11-03T06:56:35Z")
I don’t suppose anybody cares, but Hawaii turned out not to be in play after all. –p ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/735 "2004-11-03T06:56:49Z")
ABC saying only 106k provisionl ballots out there…not enough for Kerry to contest. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/736 "2004-11-03T06:57:25Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > **"It’s not worse than Vietnam"** \* --The best thing Republicans can say about Iraq.\* First off, I’m not a Republican. Secondly, if you’re looking for me to disagree, you’re wrong. But that was still an idiotic thing to post. You either didn’t read what I was responding to, or you didin’t understand it ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/737 "2004-11-03T06:57:28Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Ummm… the House picked up GOP numbers, too. > > Got anything else? Well, it’s a better indicator, so there is something there (I’m not unreasonable), but IME a lot of voters just vote a party line for House, sometimes Senate. It’s more likely that they’ve heard of the people in the Senate race anyway. Assuming Bush wins (I’m assuming that, barring unforeseen future events), then it’s reasonable to expect he pulls some Republican congressmen in with him. My main point, going back a few pages (maybe I’ll go back like **T-Keela** and quote myself) is that for the most part this was a slim victory. Not a mandate to further cut taxes or invade more countries. A lot of people voted their religious beliefs, which is certainly they’re right. If Bush continues making mistakes AND the Democrats do a better job of neutralizing the religious advantage, the Dems can make a comeback. But they’ve got to run more to the center and not to the Left. Find a southern Democrat governor that is also a Baptist and personally abhors abortion. It will help if they can run someone who came into office in a state with deficits and fixed them. Even better if he served in the military during a time that was not the Vietnam war. Better yet if he can claim Hispanic ancestry. Southern can include Southwest, but not Massachusetts. And it’s probably preferable not to have a voting record that can be spun and lied about. A disarming smile wouldn’t hurt. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/738 "2004-11-03T06:57:41Z")
NH was won by Bush in 2000, but not expected to be carried by him this year ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/739 "2004-11-03T06:57:53Z")
NH was almost always Kerry on [electoral-vote.com](http://electoral-vote.com). ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/740 "2004-11-03T07:00:26Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > 300,000 votes left to count with ~100,00 - 250,000 provisional votes. With a ~100,000 lead for Bush Well, correct me if I’m wrong here, but lets say that there are 250,000 provisional votes left. And lets assume Kerry gets 60% of them (even though he didn’t get 60% of the vote in Ohio). That means Kerry gets 150,000 of those votes and Bush gets 100,000…and doesn’t that mean Bush still wins by 50,000? He’d need to get 70% of those votes to just get equal to Bush…something that seems unlikely, at least to me. I’m totally drunk here so my math may be faulty…YMMV. -XT [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=36) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=38)