# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/781 "2004-11-03T07:21:34Z")
That still doesn’t get you up to 500,000 Caphis. Further, Kerry would need 75% to have a chance of winning. It’s not going to happen. Edwards saying that they will wait another night. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/782 "2004-11-03T07:21:35Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > Ohio … the gap is less than 11K pop votes and that doesn’t include the absentee votes. as of NOW By whose count? CNN shows the difference at about 120K at this point. ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/783 "2004-11-03T07:23:07Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > That still doesn’t get you up to 500,000 Caphis. Further, Kerry would need 75% to have a chance of winning. It’s not going to happen. > > Edwards saying that they will wait another night. When I posted that, the number remaining to be counted added to the provisionals and the military votes was about 500,000 - 600,000, according to CNN. You realize that thousands of votes come in every minute, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/784 "2004-11-03T07:23:24Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Nobody has said that there are 500,000 provisionals in Ohio Caphis. I think it’s done deal. Bush wins Ohio. Bush wins the Presidency. No but the Rep. SoS of Ohio said on CNN the uncounted + provisionals could be 400, 000 - 550,000. By law if the provisional votes have to be counted it will be in 11 days. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/785 "2004-11-03T07:23:31Z")
President 97% of precincts reporting Bush Rep 2,706,778 Kerry Dem 2,581,451 ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/786 "2004-11-03T07:23:33Z")
Bush is up by 125,000 in Ohio. Will be a huge deficit to overcome. This isn’t like Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/787 "2004-11-03T07:24:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\*ShibbOleth I’m starting to see a clear difference between Republicans and Democrats (maybe it’s the hour). Democrats would rather be “right” than win. Republicans would rather win than be “right”. Guess which path leads to electoral victories? [/quote] Guess which path undermines democracy and destroys freedom? ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/788 "2004-11-03T07:25:01Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Bush is up by 125,000 in Ohio. Will be a huge deficit to overcome. This isn’t like Florida. No one said it would be easy. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/789 "2004-11-03T07:26:30Z")
We were, however, discussing the provissional ballots and not the remaining 3% of precincts who have not reported. Kerry would need to win a huge majority to have a chance and I don’t see that happening. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/790 "2004-11-03T07:26:35Z")
Kerry lead in WI down to 16,000 - 87% reporting ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/791 "2004-11-03T07:27:03Z")
even IF Kerry does win Ohio it’ll be a tie…that means Bush wins doesn’t it? > [@ShibbOleth](#): > > By whose count? CNN shows the difference at about 120K at this point. Matbe I misunderstood what I JUST saw…but Brokaw JUST NOW said that the popular vote was so close as to be negligible. I just saw Edwards taking about THEY are winning Ohio. okay a new prediction “as I type” just predicts…a lead of about 120K votes 😕 fukit…nobody knows right now. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/792 "2004-11-03T07:28:28Z")
Brokaw is a desperate man. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/793 "2004-11-03T07:29:41Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Bush is up by 125,000 in Ohio. Will be a huge deficit to overcome. This isn’t like Florida. What is the population of Ohio? ---
**Author:** ![passengerpigeon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/58f4c7/32.png) [@passengerpigeon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/passengerpigeon)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/794 "2004-11-03T07:29:44Z")
Every state that didn’t just go to Kerry (MI, MN, HI) is way too close to call. Well okay I don’t feel great about Ohio. But we’ll see goddamnit. –p ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/795 "2004-11-03T07:29:53Z")
Are there substantial numbers of as-of-yet-uncounted provisional ballots in NM, NV, and IA? ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/796 "2004-11-03T07:30:08Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Guess which path undermines democracy and destroys freedom? Yeah, it’s Hobbes’ choice and a bit of a corner that the Republicans have painted the Democrats into. Dems have not done nearly as good a job of defining the issues to their advantage. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/797 "2004-11-03T07:31:51Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > What is the population of Ohio? Should be somewhere between 11-12 million total. ---
**Author:** ![pkd88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2bfe46/32.png) [@pkd88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkd88)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/798 "2004-11-03T07:32:20Z")
Any ideas or guesses on how MSNBC and Fox handle the Ohio situation? They have already given it to Mr Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/799 "2004-11-03T07:34:19Z")
I think it would take an astonishing swing in Ohio to change things. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/800 "2004-11-03T07:35:24Z")
> [@passengerpigeon](#): > > Every state that didn’t just go to Kerry (MI, MN, HI) is way too close to call. > > Well okay I don’t feel great about Ohio. But we’ll see goddamnit. > > –p I’d call it: Wisconsin - Kerry Iowa, New Mexico - Bush Nevada - too close, but most likely Bush Ohio goes to Bush barring a last minute miracle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=41)