# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/801 "2004-11-03T07:36:21Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > Brokaw is a desperate man. Maybe so, but Jennings and Stepenopolis sp don’t really say Bush have won yet either. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/802 "2004-11-03T07:37:51Z")
> [@](#): > > **ShibbOleth** : Dems have not done nearly as good a job of defining the issues to their advantage. Yes. It doesn’t do much good to be noble and powerless. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/803 "2004-11-03T07:38:17Z")
Things seem to be getting closer in Wisconsin. If Bush wins there and in NV,NM & Iowa then it is all moot. ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/804 "2004-11-03T07:39:40Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > Should be somewhere between 11-12 million total. According to [census.gov](http://census.gov), the estimated population is 11,500,000. So far (as of this moment), 5,313,457 ballots have been cast in Ohio. The [Washington Post](http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041010-124625-8554r.htm) says there are 7,800,000 registered voters in Ohio. If we assume a 75% voter turnout in Ohio (Minnesota apparently had over 80%), then 5,850,000 people voted. So 536,543 votes could be out there, if there’s a 75% turnout. Turnout could be higher or lower, but I don’t think we can discredit _at this point_ that there aren’t enough out there to make a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/805 "2004-11-03T07:40:27Z")
Give it up already! Kerry has been declared the winner in Minnesota with +100K votes and only 78% reporting, in Michigan with +90K votes and also only 78% reporting. Bush is over +120K votes ahead in Ohio _ **with 97% reporting!** _ It is over. Either IA or NM (or both) will give him the win (thank Christ, or Satan, or whoever…) 😉 all data from USA Today ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/806 "2004-11-03T07:40:46Z")
Brokaw is shilling for Kerry at the moment. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/807 "2004-11-03T07:40:58Z")
…and that’s the Washington Times, not the Post. Mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/808 "2004-11-03T07:41:08Z")
I hope that I’m not repeating someone else. That’s the danger of not reading everything in the thread. The provisional votes and absentee votes (in Ohio at least) won’t be counted for ten or eleven days. I don’t think I can go without sleep that long. But it’s going to make for one hell of a thread. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/809 "2004-11-03T07:41:31Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Neither is Zell Miller. If it walks like a duck… Why don’t you go quack in another thread. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/810 "2004-11-03T07:42:19Z")
Is this going to be another deal for liberals like not admitting Alger Hiss was a spy, no matter how much evidence piles up? ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/811 "2004-11-03T07:42:38Z")
NBC calls Ohio. It’s over. You would need more than 75% to go Kerry and that doesn not appear likely. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/812 "2004-11-03T07:43:21Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’m here. I’m not buyimg these results either. Let’s get on with the lawsuits. So they say the pop of Ohio is 12 mil. and the “lead” is maybe 120K NOT counting the absentee… So less than 1% of the vote is what we’re declaring is a victory. Well, maybe but we’re gonna have to wait awhile yet, wouldn’t ya say? Yeah…I’m a bit hardheaded…hopefully I’m not alone? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/813 "2004-11-03T07:43:42Z")
NBC called Ohio almost two hours ago. That’s not the issue. ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/814 "2004-11-03T07:43:43Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > NBC calls Ohio. Cite? I’m watching NBC now, and NBC hasn’t called Ohio on the air. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/815 "2004-11-03T07:44:28Z")
This has been fun. See you guys tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![ShockingAlberto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ea924/32.png) [@ShockingAlberto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShockingAlberto)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/816 "2004-11-03T07:45:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Is this going to be another deal for liberals like not admitting Alger Hiss was a spy, no matter how much evidence piles up? Or those liberals refusing to admit we never made mistakes? Yeah, that sure pisses me off! ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/817 "2004-11-03T07:45:34Z")
And that’s assuming that all of the provissional votes are valid. ---
**Author:** ![caphis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19adc/32.png) [@caphis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caphis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/818 "2004-11-03T07:47:07Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > And that’s assuming that all of the provissional votes are valid. Yes, ok, I think we all know that you have a very pessimistic outlook on Kerry pulling off a victory. However, the law is the law, and Ohio law does provide for counting the provisional ballots, given the margin, at this point. Every vote _does_ count. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/819 "2004-11-03T07:47:36Z")
Kerry’s only chance is to hold Wisconsin and pull a rabbit out of the hat in Ohio. Stranger things have happened, but I’m not holding my breath. Good night all. Thanks for the (mostly) civil discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/820 "2004-11-03T07:49:31Z")
Yes but at some point you have to accept that it is a huge longshot. Can’t see it happening as the margin is too large. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=42)