# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/841 "2004-11-03T08:06:13Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > If the Republicans would quit trying to cheat we wouldn’t have to keep going to court. > > The popular vote is irrelevant, by the way. Out of curiosity, was your position the same 4 years ago? ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/842 "2004-11-03T08:06:26Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > Forgive a dirty foreigner, but isn’t there anywhere on the web that shows the current state of the election, as in Kerry states, Bush states, and states that aren’t quite ready yet? damn man, you mean there’s somebody left out there actually trying to keep up with it? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/843 "2004-11-03T08:07:15Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > Forgive a dirty foreigner, but isn’t there anywhere on the web that shows the current state of the election, as in Kerry states, Bush states, and states that aren’t quite ready yet? [cnn.com](http://cnn.com) is quite good. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/844 "2004-11-03T08:07:36Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > damn man, you mean there’s somebody left out there actually trying to keep up with it? Left? I just got out of bed. You Americans can hop into the sack now, I’m taking over (just as soon as anyone tells me where you’ve hidden all that info). ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/845 "2004-11-03T08:08:35Z")
[http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Doubt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Peter\_Doubt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Doubt)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/846 "2004-11-03T08:11:49Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > Forgive a dirty foreigner, but isn’t there anywhere on the web that shows the current state of the election, as in Kerry states, Bush states, and states that aren’t quite ready yet? There are many of them. [http://election.cbsnews.com/election2004/](http://election.cbsnews.com/election2004/) [http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/) [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/) [http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Elections2004/President.html](http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Elections2004/President.html) > **[Home Page Top Stories](https://www.npr.org/)** > > Top stories in the U.S. and world news, politics, health, science, business, music, arts and culture. Nonprofit journalism with a mission. This is NPR. [http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/election\_night\_2004/us\_map\_govsenhouse/index.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS&reload=true](http://network.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/election_night_2004/us_map_govsenhouse/index.html?SITE=CSPANELN&SECTION=POLITICS&reload=true) And BBC (which I closed because of the disconcerting blinking it was doing) I was about to ask the gang here which of these was most popular as far as providing useful information. ---
**Author:** ![Declan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecae2f/32.png) [@Declan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Declan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/847 "2004-11-03T08:12:25Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > I was talkin about the pop vote but I get your point 😃 lol , I am assuming both Dems and Pubs will have voting horror stories depending on location. I am assuming that Team Kerry wants a count , in ohio , but at what point should he seriously be concidering conceding ? Declan ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/848 "2004-11-03T08:13:52Z")
No. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/849 "2004-11-03T08:18:41Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > Left? I just got out of bed. You Americans can hop into the sack now, I’m taking over (just as soon as anyone tells me where you’ve hidden all that info). Man I haven’t left my computer in the last three days. I’ve been campaigning via the internet constantly for the past …3-4 days. I don’t know how many thousands of folks I’ve talked with (not to mention the past several months) but I’ve been _shoulder to the wheel_ buddy. As of right this minute…even with the prediction that GWB will win Ohio, he still doesn’t have enough electoral votes to win. granted it’ll be a tie but god dammit…I never say die. I DON’T KNOW HOW to just give up…never did. I’ll tell ya about it sometime if you’re ineterested. Where ya at **DIO**? I know you ain’t no quitter either. just got up ya say? **Priceguy** I didn’t notice… where ya from? ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/850 "2004-11-03T08:20:20Z")
Is there ANY chance for Kerry to win in a tie? Is there ANY chance for him to pick up everything but Ohio and _get_ a tie at this point? ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/851 "2004-11-03T08:20:32Z")
I see ya **D/C** hang in there w/ me boy…fuk 'em ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/852 "2004-11-03T08:22:20Z")
[quote] **pkd88** : “NBC News projected Wednesday morning that President Bush had won Ohio and Florida…” Yep. It was 12:59 a.m. Eastern time. I remember wondering in the middle of my bewilderment how they were going to count the “pool” – by Eastern time? I even remember the look on Brokaw’s face. He was looking off camera and paused. Just slightly before that, Russert had said that Kerry _had_ to carry Ohio and a long list of other states normally in the “Blue” column. Sorry to be so insistent. But that was how I learned the bad news. I’m glad to know that the other stations aren’t calling it. I noticed that Yahoo! isn’t either. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/853 "2004-11-03T08:22:43Z")
I HOPE it take two more weeks. I hope it takes two more months. I’m ready drag this thing out and contest and sue until the bitter end. I’ll fight to the last dog. Surrendering is for chumps. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/854 "2004-11-03T08:24:41Z")
Bush is going to win Iowa, Nevada, and New Mexico. Kerry’s margin in Wisconsin is only 1/10 of Bush’s margin in Ohio. Kerry should concede. Bush won the popular vote by a huge margin, being the first president in a long, long time to win the support of a plurality of the people. He’s ahead in Ohio by 130,000 votes. If there are 200,000 provisional ballots, Kerry needs ALL of them to be valid (when historically, apparently, only about 10% are), and even if all of them are valid, he needs them to break about 4-1 in his favor - a margin we haven’t seen anywhere else. It’s ridiculous. It’s no big deal if he waits until morning just to get the last votes counted. But if he declares that he’s going to make everyone wait 11 days until the provisional ballots are counted, he’s just being a dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Doubt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/df705f/32.png) [@Peter\_Doubt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Doubt)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/855 "2004-11-03T08:24:49Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Is there ANY chance for Kerry to win in a tie? Is there ANY chance for him to pick up everything but Ohio and _get_ a tie at this point? Yes, if Kerry were to pick up NV,NM,IA, and WI it would put him at 269 electoral votes. In this case its like blackjack, a tie goes to the house. Bush wins. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/856 "2004-11-03T08:25:17Z")
> [@t-keela](#): > > I see ya **D/C** hang in there w/ me boy…fuk 'em I’m with ya, \*_t-k_. I’m like Cool Hand Luke in trhat scene where he’s getting the shit beat out of him but he still keeps getting up and trying to fight until he’s finally knocked out cold. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/857 "2004-11-03T08:26:08Z")
With 99% precincts reporting in Ohio, Bush now has a lead of 144,000 votes. Kerry’s camp earlier said that they \*might have a chance with the provisional ballots if they could get Bush’s lead below 50,000. Didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/858 "2004-11-03T08:26:42Z")
I’m not willing to concede Florida, by the way. Diebold machines. They cheated. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/859 "2004-11-03T08:27:48Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > With 99% precincts reporting in Ohio, Bush now has a lead of 144,000 votes. Kerry’s camp earlier said that they \*might have a chance with the provisional ballots if they could get Bush’s lead below 50,000. Didn’t happen. We still have the lawsuits…and if that doesn’t work, there’s impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/860 "2004-11-03T08:29:19Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I HOPE it take two more weeks. I hope it takes two more months. I’m ready drag this thing out and contest and sue until the bitter end. I’ll fight to the last dog. Surrendering is for chumps. Man how can you be an atheist with this kind of resolve? 😃 [SIZE=1]just kidding dude, you know I respect your beliefs [/QUOTE] Did you read where **Sam** said that Kerry had to win ALL of the 200K votes even thoughhe was only down by 130K… what kinda math is that? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563.md?page=44)