# Nov '04 Election Comments Thread

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [November 2, 2004, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563 "2004-11-02T16:04:59Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Saranga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Saranga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saranga)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/121 "2004-11-03T00:59:09Z")

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Is it based entirely on exit polls then?

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/122 "2004-11-03T00:59:42Z")

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> [@Saranga](#):
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> Is it based entirely on exit polls then?

I’m guessing-- don’t know for sure.

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**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/123 "2004-11-03T01:00:44Z")

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> [@fruitbat](#):
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> Florida looks surprisingly ugly for Kerry. I am sure that is one race they will not call until 99% of precincts have reported, but still I am starting to bite my nails.

Miami-Dade and Palm Beach have yet to report in. Those counties will have a big affect on the numbers.

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**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/124 "2004-11-03T01:00:51Z")

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“This electoral race is hotter than the Devil’s apple.” -Dan Rather

I have to drink now, right?

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**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/125 "2004-11-03T01:03:30Z")

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> [@Gorsnak](#):
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> “This electoral race is hotter than the Devil’s apple.” -Dan Rather
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> I have to drink now, right?

That was “Devil’s anvil”. And CBS reported Kerry had 59% of young first time voters, which are about an eighth of the electorate. The young adult vote may be key here.

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**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/126 "2004-11-03T01:04:38Z")

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> [@Gorsnak](#):
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> “This electoral race is hotter than the Devil’s apple.” -Dan Rather  
> I have to drink now, right?

Anvil. Not Apple. Still don’t make sense, but maybe a bit more sense than apple.

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**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/127 "2004-11-03T01:05:22Z")

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Here’s a shocker, Fox News just reported that Barack Obama got 82% of the vote against Alan Keyes. If anything, that’s less than I would have expected.

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**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/128 "2004-11-03T01:05:58Z")

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I blame Dan’s lacksadaisical enunciation. 😃

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**Author:** ![Parthol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/dec6dc/32.png) [@Parthol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Parthol)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/129 "2004-11-03T01:06:07Z")

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Mildly interesting:

According to [CNN.com](http://CNN.com) right now, the exit polls in Florida have Kerry slightly ahead – about 50%-49%. But their popular vote count has Bush up by a whopping 55%-45%.

-P

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**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/130 "2004-11-03T01:07:53Z")

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I’m also drinking every time Keith Olbermann uses an AP word.

“Obviated”

Drink!

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**Author:** ![Orbifold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/131 "2004-11-03T01:07:59Z")

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> [@Parthol](#):
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> Mildly interesting:
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> According to [CNN.com](http://CNN.com) right now, the exit polls in Florida have Kerry slightly ahead – about 50%-49%. But their popular vote count has Bush up by a whopping 55%-45%.
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> -P

Again, I imagine that’s at least partly because some big urban counties have yet to report in, particularly Miami-Dade and Palm Beach.

Only this time I’m going to say it without screwing up the “affect/effect” thing.

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**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/132 "2004-11-03T01:09:31Z")

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Bunning is still losing in Kentucky - 52% to 48% - with 65% reporting.

Do y’all think I should start a separate Senate thread? I’d prefer to keep everything consolidated here.

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**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/133 "2004-11-03T01:10:45Z")

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> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> Here’s a shocker, Fox News just reported that Barack Obama got 82% of the vote against Alan Keyes. If anything, that’s less than I would have expected.

Last polls had Obama up by 40%, so that’s better than the polls. There are some serious Republican counties around Chicago that would vote for Osama if he was a republican. The state Repub chairperson has already wished Keyes a nice trip back to MD (even though he claims he’s going to stay here).

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/134 "2004-11-03T01:10:54Z")

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> [@Gorsnak](#):
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> I blame Dan’s lacksadaisical enunciation. 😃

How many drinks have you had? 🙂

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/135 "2004-11-03T01:12:19Z")

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> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#):
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> Here’s a shocker, Fox News just reported that Barack Obama got 82% of the vote against Alan Keyes. If anything, that’s less than I would have expected.

Why is that a shocker? Do you expect them to call if for Keyes?

BTW, you sure do watch an awful lot of Fox News… 🙂

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**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/136 "2004-11-03T01:12:29Z")

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This just in…

**vibrotronica’s** stress level is reported to be “extreme”.

developing…

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**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/137 "2004-11-03T01:13:03Z")

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> [@5que](#):
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> The state Repub chairperson has already wished Keyes a nice trip back to MD (even though he claims he’s going to stay here).

Aren’t you lucky? 😃

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**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/138 "2004-11-03T01:15:46Z")

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> [@vibrotronica](#):
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> This just in…
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> **vibrotronica’s** stress level is reported to be “extreme”.
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> developing…

Heh! I’m sitting here hitting refresh every 30 seconds on my nifty [CNN.com](http://CNN.com) electoral map and running out back to smoke a cig about every 10 minutes because **the goddam green too-close-to-call states aren’t changing color!**

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**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/139 "2004-11-03T01:16:47Z")

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It should be noted, however, that according to CNN’s projections, Kerry is about 1,000,000 votes behind in the popular and 11 votes ahead in the Electoral.

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**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-04-election-comments-thread/272563/140 "2004-11-03T01:17:21Z")

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> [@jayjay](#):
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> Aren’t you lucky? 😃

Hell, he’s history. The state Repub chair sent out an election mailing and never even mentioned Keyes. They’re developing a new group of moderate Republicans, who are the only ones who can really win here. This group is totally ignoring Keyes. No one wanted to go down to Obama, so they brought in this idiot and now when this new group runs, they won’t have a “loser” label.

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