# Nov 4 - This Nightmare Must End: The Trump/Pence Regime Must Go! protest **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 1, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432 "2017-11-01T20:39:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/181 "2017-11-05T18:43:12Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Yes, empowered directly. One of Calgary’s more active white supremacists has recently announced he’s happy to stand with the Nazis and the Klan in order to drive the Muslim horde from our shores. He made this announcement wearing a snazzy Make America Great Again hat. I’m glad my steel-toed boots still fit. Why’s that? You plan on attacking people? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/182 "2017-11-05T18:43:57Z")
Defending them. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/183 "2017-11-05T18:49:43Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Defending them. Canada doesn’t have police? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/184 "2017-11-05T18:58:49Z")
It does. Does this have anything to do with how white supremacists see the head of the Republican party - whom you support - as an inspiration? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/185 "2017-11-05T18:59:59Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Go scurry back under your rock D’Anconia…you’ll be safe there. This is not The BBQ Pit. Knock it off. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/186 "2017-11-05T19:02:13Z")
> [@ThisIsTheEnd](#): > > I thought AI was supposedly better than this already. This is still not The BBQ Pit. Do not pot insults outside that forum. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/187 "2017-11-05T19:23:04Z")
> [@ocotpus](#): > > Everyone here makes fun of Trump and he might be mentally disabled so that’s just how people act nowadays. Speaking for myself, I don’t make fun of him for his disability, I make fun of him because he’s an asshole. Honestly, your rationale is kinda lame. The ‘‘Everyone does it’’ excuse doesn’t satisfy the mothers of fourth graders, I’m not sure it will satisfy anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/188 "2017-11-05T21:08:50Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > There are a lot of things about him that I question. I think he’s an asshole, but that probably has more to do with him being a New Yorker than any fake diagnosis or dementia (which, btw, I haven’t really seen evidence of yet) > . > **[Trump wasn’t always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?](https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-speaking-style-interviews/)** > > STAT asked experts to compare Trump's speech from decades ago to that in 2017. All noticed deterioration, which may signal changes in Trump's brain health. > [@](#): > > Research has shown that changes in speaking style can result from cognitive decline. STAT therefore asked experts in neurolinguistics and cognitive assessment, as well as psychologists and psychiatrists, to compare Trump’s speech from decades ago to that in 2017; they all agreed there had been a deterioration, and some said it could reflect changes in the health of Trump’s brain. > > In interviews Trump gave in the 1980s and 1990s (with Tom Brokaw, David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey, Charlie Rose, and others), he spoke articulately, used sophisticated vocabulary, inserted dependent clauses into his sentences without losing his train of thought, and strung together sentences into a polished paragraph, which — and this is no mean feat — would have scanned just fine in print. This was so even when reporters asked tough questions about, for instance, his divorce, his brush with bankruptcy, and why he doesn’t build housing for working-class Americans. Trump’s speech patterns and the complexity of his vocabulary have deteriorated compared to 30 years ago, raising questions about his neurological health. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/189 "2017-11-05T22:07:17Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > [Trump used to be more articulate. What could explain the change?](https://www.statnews.com/2017/05/23/donald-trump-speaking-style-interviews/) > > Trump’s speech patterns and the complexity of his vocabulary have deteriorated compared to 30 years ago, raising questions about his neurological health. “Dementia” is mentioned a couple of times in that article you linked to: > [@](#): > > No one observing Trump from afar, though, can tell whether that’s “an indication of dementia, of normal cognitive decline that many people experience as they age, or whether it’s due to other factors” such as stress and emotional upheaval, said Montgomery, who is not a Trump supporter. > [@](#): > > Northwestern University psychology professor Dan McAdams, a critic of Trump who has inferred his psychological makeup from his public behavior, said any cognitive decline in the president might reflect normal aging and not dementia. “Research shows that virtually nobody is as sharp at age 70 as they were at age 40,” he said. “A wide range of cognitive functions, including verbal fluency, begin to decline long before we hit retirement age. So, no surprise here.” Was that supposed to be your evidence that Trump is suffering from dementia? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/190 "2017-11-05T22:40:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Why’s that? You plan on attacking people? It’s so his foot survives after another white supremacist drives into a crowd. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/191 "2017-11-05T22:42:02Z")
This wasn’t merely rude, this was cruel and vicious. Staging an obscene pantomime of a brutal disability is beyond rebuke, he will not learn from it. He will not be corrected, he will not improve. In his case, “psychopath”\* is not a diagnosis, but a description, there is no treatment short of burial. - Is that even still a “word” now? Is it a medically definable condition, or just a way tp say “neutron-density asshole”? Haven’t kept up in psychological lit since _Oral Sadism and the Vegetarian Personality_… ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/192 "2017-11-05T23:08:39Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Was that supposed to be your evidence that Trump is suffering from dementia? Yup. I know many people Trump’s age, his behavior is not normal, neither is his decline. The people I know who are Trump’s age are about as sharp as they were in their 40s. Trump has experienced a pretty substantial decline in that same time period. I remember Trump from the 90s. He didn’t talk or act like this. > [@](#): > > Although neither Johnson nor other experts STAT consulted said the apparent loss of linguistic fluency was unambiguous evidence of mental decline, most thought something was going on. > John Montgomery, a psychologist in New York City and adjunct professor at New York University, said “it’s hard to say definitively without rigorous testing” of Trump’s speaking patterns, “but I think it’s pretty safe to say that Trump has had significant cognitive decline over the years.” As I keep saying, Trump is free to undergo thorough medical and neurological exams by trained, independent, competent professionals if he wants the rumors to end. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/193 "2017-11-05T23:55:31Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Speaking for myself, I don’t make fun of him for his disability, I make fun of him because he’s an asshole. > > Honestly, your rationale is kinda lame. The ‘‘Everyone does it’’ excuse doesn’t satisfy the mothers of fourth graders, I’m not sure it will satisfy anyone else. It is the nature of discourse now. Read these boards. See how conservatives and Republicans are described. Republicans and those on the right crap on the left on other forums. We live in a hyper partisan and politically rude time. Is Trump the symptom or the cause? I say symptom. > [@The\_Tooth](#): > > It does. Does this have anything to do with how white supremacists see the head of the Republican party - whom you support - as an inspiration? It’s unfortunate that identity politics are a thing. > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > It’s so his foot survives after another white supremacist drives into a crowd. I’d prefer running shoes to avoid the hit. Dodge \> armor or block. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/194 "2017-11-06T00:02:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Try looking beyond your own neighborhood and think how American foreign policy affects the world. I know it didn’t pass, but how does “repeal and replace” affect Aussies? The same thing with tax reform. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/195 "2017-11-06T00:08:32Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I know it didn’t pass, but how does “repeal and replace” affect Aussies? > > The same thing with tax reform. How are either of those things foreign policy? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/196 "2017-11-06T00:16:56Z")
kambuckta didn’t limit his/her comments to foreign policy. He or she basically said that whatever President Trump says results in some sort of global disruption. How does the ACA or tax reform affect people in Australia? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/197 "2017-11-06T00:44:01Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Yup. I know many people Trump’s age, his behavior is not normal, neither is his decline. The people I know who are Trump’s age are about as sharp as they were in their 40s. Trump has experienced a pretty substantial decline in that same time period. I remember Trump from the 90s. He didn’t talk or act like this. > > As I keep saying, Trump is free to undergo thorough medical and neurological exams by trained, independent, competent professionals if he wants the rumors to end. You’ll probably be unsurprised to learn that I’m not convinced by your personal anecdotes or the Internet rumors you’re recycling here. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/198 "2017-11-06T00:51:36Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Yup. I know many people Trump’s age, his behavior is not normal, neither is his decline. The people I know who are Trump’s age are about as sharp as they were in their 40s. Trump has experienced a pretty substantial decline in that same time period. I remember Trump from the 90s. He didn’t talk or act like this. > > As I keep saying, Trump is free to undergo thorough medical and neurological exams by trained, independent, competent professionals if he wants the rumors to end. I’m sure Trump isn’t losing any sleep over these “rumors”. Besides, I think anyone in his position who would agree to such an examination would have to be certifiably insane to do so. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/199 "2017-11-06T01:19:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So why the hypocrisy? > > Anyways, calm down. Then read for comprehension. The hypocrites are Donald Trump and most of the Republican party and those that support Trump. And please enlighten me. What do you think I have a hard time comprehending. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/200 "2017-11-06T01:38:32Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m sure Trump isn’t losing any sleep over these “rumors”. Besides, I think anyone in his position who would agree to such an examination would have to be certifiably insane to do so. Agree on both points. And I’m not sure if narcissism and sociopathy at Trumps degree would be considered certifiably insane. IMHO, it’s close enough for horseshoes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432.md?page=11)