# Nov 4 - This Nightmare Must End: The Trump/Pence Regime Must Go! protest **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 1, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432 "2017-11-01T20:39:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/161 "2017-11-05T08:51:19Z")
Yes, but all my white fundamentalist Christian relatives are dead. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/162 "2017-11-05T09:55:25Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > VA and NJ voters can protest on Tuesday. I was about to check for venues having elections this year. Ensuring Republicans don’t get or keep elected office is the best way to reduce Trump’s opportunities to hurt America. But the protests are fine, too. No harm getting outside for some fresh air and exercise, at least. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/163 "2017-11-05T12:35:26Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Because, I don’t know whether you know anything about international politics (obviously not too much) but everything that erupts out of Trumps erratic gob affects much of the western world, Australia included. OK, so how has Trump affected you in the last nine months? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/164 "2017-11-05T12:48:24Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Trumps behavior fits symptoms of people with a narcissistic disorder (either narcissistic personality disorder or malignant narcissism) and dementia. The larger point is that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and acts like a duck, I don’t need a duck diagnosis to know it’s going to shit green cicada-shaped pellets on my driveway in the springtime. If we expect from Trump what we’d get from a delusional narcissist, we’ll never be surprised. I’m not making this case out of motivation for a 25th-amendment remedy, at least not not one based on mental health. We sort of have the bad luck that narcissism is a very American disease in that we don’t consider it pathological or debilitating as long as you come out on top, in a position of authority. That’s why such people are so intent on winning. They know at some level that the whole charade falls apart when you are forced to admit loss. That’s when narcissists lose their shit. So we’re faced with the real possibility that Trump does have a mental illness, but we can’t really intervene until he starts doing the unthinkable, at which point it will be too late. In hindsight, it’s a richly ironic inevitability. The US was destined to keep launching narcissists to the highest positions of power, unable to remove them until they start doing unimaginable damage. This is why our best hope is not the dramatic comeuppance we would like, but more likely hobbling him by the rule of law, by humble legal technicalities that will leave his supporters not feeling chastened but robbed. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/165 "2017-11-05T12:57:12Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > Go scurry back under your rock D’Anconia…you’ll be safe there. That’s enough of that, right there. No more of anything even close to this by anyone or warnings will follow. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/166 "2017-11-05T13:02:18Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > OK, so how has Trump affected you in the last nine months? So by your lights we’re not allowed to worry what he might do in the remainder of a very, very young term in office? And we’re only allowed to worry about what he might do to other people? And we’re not allowed to be worried about shit he tried to pull but was restrained by the court system? Sorry, no, you don’t get to decide that. It’s right to be concerned about how he affects the country we’ll wake up to next year. It’s right to be concerned about his actions that have only been barely restrained by the courts and legislative process. You don’t get to take any of this off the table for argument. Not when conservatives spent 8 years telling us Obama was about to turn the US into a post-socialist hellscape. Take that whole line of reasoning elsewhere. It’s not flying here. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/167 "2017-11-05T13:32:09Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > It’s right to be concerned about how he affects the country we’ll wake up to next year. It’s right to be concerned about his actions that have only been barely restrained by the courts and legislative process. You don’t get to take any of this off the table for argument. Not when conservatives spent 8 years telling us Obama was about to turn the US into a post-socialist hellscape. Take that whole line of reasoning elsewhere. It’s not flying here. Um, what are Australians so concerned about? ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/168 "2017-11-05T13:43:27Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Did former Presidents Obama, Bush, and Clinton subject themselves to “full neurological workups”? Obama released is birth certificate to end the rumors. Also Clinton, Bush, Obama, etc never did anything to make people question their mental health. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/169 "2017-11-05T14:16:05Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I was busy today and didn’t watch the news. Are Trump and Pence still in office? I guess you didn’t see the speech from President Pelosi then, did you? She was hard to recognize in her Antifa mask. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/170 "2017-11-05T14:16:34Z")
Well, all you Americans who thought you needed a strongman to put things right picked someone who promised to put things right and are finding out that a president is not a strongman. At the very least, your time with Trump should be educational. It probably won’t be, but it certainly should. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/171 "2017-11-05T14:54:10Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > As an Australian, why are you so _concerned_? > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > OK, so how has Trump affected you in the last nine months? > [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Um, what are Australians so concerned about? Boy, I sure wish I knew what your pont was…or \*do \*I? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/172 "2017-11-05T15:01:16Z")
Yes, I probably got carried away. But I would still like to know how President Trump has affected someone in Australia? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/173 "2017-11-05T15:20:22Z")
At the very least, I suspect, he made some Australians feel embarrassed on America’s behalf. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/174 "2017-11-05T15:34:31Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m a Trump supporter now? Well, then. I do like the fact that he was able to pick a SC Justice. Aside from that I don’t know what policies of Trump I actually support since I haven’t seen all that many. I don’t think a wall is practical. Though it is infrastructure and jobs… Infrastructure? Seriously? Jobs? It would be just as effective to hire people to move a pile of sand back and forth. I don’t consider the destruction of thousands of miles of environment for no reason to be a good plan. Only takes about 5 minutes of thinking to realize what an asinine idea the ‘wall’ is. This speaks to Trumps intelligence. > [@octopus](#): > > Trump’s maturity? Yeah. Haven’t seen much of that. Trump is a clown. Trump making fun of the disabled? Trump makes fun of all sorts of people. Why should the disabled by excluded? He’s an equal opportunity jack-ass. Who else has Trump made fun of? Jong Un I suppose. And that’s not a good idea. I just took one very, very small part of his behavior to examine. Making fun of the disabled is just the tip of the ice burgh. But…but in your eyes, it’s fine to make fun of people. My mother broke a hip. So I guess you would think that it would be OK for Trump to joke about that (ha,ha she walks funny). I invite you to make fun of that. > [@octopus](#): > > Should I feel bad that Trump makes fun of people including the disabled? No. No I shouldn’t. Everyone here makes fun of Trump and he might be mentally disabled so that’s just how people act nowadays. So it’s OK that the POTUS is mentally disabled? And yes, you are correct, people make fun of Trump. It’s a way to bring to light how completely incapable he is for the job. And no, it’s not just how people act nowadays. So you think it’s OK that the POTUS is a jackass. And we should just accept it. And that’s just how people are? Really? > [@octopus](#): > > Now concerning if my own child acted like Trump or Clinton or any other of these nutty, self absorbed, power hungry politicians I’d give them a timeout. But our politicians are grown people and we reward them for their corrupt, self serving behavior. Why should we expect better? And here is a problem. You are trying to compare reasonable capable people to Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/175 "2017-11-05T15:45:20Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Yes, I probably got carried away. > > But I would still like to know how President Trump has affected someone in Australia? I thought AI was supposedly better than this already. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/176 "2017-11-05T15:52:30Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > It’s a way to bring to light how completely incapable he is for the job. And no, it’s not just how people act nowadays. At least in America it isn’t. I wonder if Octopus is not American? In my trip to Europe last year, along with meeting some extremely pleasant and friendly people, I witnessed in a single week as many incidents of outright rudeness/jackassery as I’d expect to see in America in a couple years. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/177 "2017-11-05T16:03:03Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Yes, I probably got carried away. > > But I would still like to know how President Trump has affected someone in Australia? Try looking beyond your own neighborhood and think how American foreign policy affects the world. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/178 "2017-11-05T18:14:34Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Yes, I probably got carried away. > > But I would still like to know how President Trump has affected someone in Australia? Trump hasn’t just lowered the standards for civil behavior, decorum and respect for democracy in the US, he is having a negative effect elsewhere. I’ve heard Canadians say that their far right is empowered by Trump. So Trump could help usher in an age of anti-democracy, authoritarian right wing movements in western democracies. Its the domino effect. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/179 "2017-11-05T18:41:28Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Trump hasn’t just lowered the standards for civil behavior, decorum and respect for democracy in the US, he is having a negative effect elsewhere. I’ve heard Canadians say that their far right is empowered by Trump. > > So Trump could help usher in an age of anti-democracy, authoritarian right wing movements in western democracies. > > Its the domino effect. Yes, empowered directly. One of Calgary’s more active white supremacists has recently announced he’s happy to stand with the Nazis and the Klan in order to drive the Muslim horde from our shores. He made this announcement wearing a snazzy Make America Great Again hat. I’m glad my steel-toed boots still fit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432/180 "2017-11-05T18:42:10Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Infrastructure? Seriously? Jobs? It would be just as effective to hire people to move a pile of sand back and forth. I don’t consider the destruction of thousands of miles of environment for no reason to be a good plan. Only takes about 5 minutes of thinking to realize what an asinine idea the ‘wall’ is. This speaks to Trumps intelligence. > > Who else has Trump made fun of? Jong Un I suppose. And that’s not a good idea. I just took one very, very small part of his behavior to examine. Making fun of the disabled is just the tip of the ice burgh. But…but in your eyes, it’s fine to make fun of people. My mother broke a hip. So I guess you would think that it would be OK for Trump to joke about that (ha,ha she walks funny). I invite you to make fun of that. > > So it’s OK that the POTUS is mentally disabled? And yes, you are correct, people make fun of Trump. It’s a way to bring to light how completely incapable he is for the job. And no, it’s not just how people act nowadays. So you think it’s OK that the POTUS is a jackass. And we should just accept it. And that’s just how people are? Really? > > And here is a problem. You are trying to compare reasonable capable people to Donald Trump. So why the hypocrisy? Anyways, calm down. Then read for comprehension. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nov-4-this-nightmare-must-end-the-trump-pence-regime-must-go-protest/800432.md?page=10)