# Novelize the LOTR EU **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 1, 2005, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429 "2005-06-01T19:46:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/1 "2005-06-01T19:46:11Z")
What stories would you want to write or see written if: The Tolkien estate lost its collective mind & allowed people to write books set in Tolkien’s Middle Earth universe??? Examples of such Extended Universe stories : -Adventures of Aragorn in his youthful undercover ranger-in-training days in Rohan & Gondor -A series detailing the rise and fall of the North Kingdom, Angmar and the Witch King -Tales of the wars between Gondor and the Southrons -How Sauron enslaved the men of the South -Details of the fighting near Dale and at Lorien during the War of the Ring - Novel-style versions of the stories told in archaic style in the Silmarillion. - Prince Imrahil gets his own adventure series Note: This is merely a thought exercise by a LOTR fan who wishes there were shelves full of stories by Tolkien about Middle Earth (as Star Wars fans have their shelves of their Extended Universe books). HOWEVER – in reality I’m grateful to keepers of the estate. I know in my heart any such stories written by others would either be poor Tolkien imitations by writers such as Terry Brooks or they would be fanfic drivel. I guess. Would still be fun to read more Middle Earth stories. Although I think the good Professor said what he meant to say and then quit. Which is more than some less sensible authors have done. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/2 "2005-06-01T19:57:43Z")
I’d like to read about what happened before Frodo arrived for the Scouring of the Shirem, and what happened to Aragorn and the countries of Men after the ring was destroyed. I’d like to hear, also, about the backstory of the Nazguls, and how they fell and were tempted with Rings of Power. Heck, the dwarf kings who received Rings, too, and stories of the dwarven Ringwraiths. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/3 "2005-06-01T20:06:26Z")
I don’t think there were any dwarven wraiths. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/4 "2005-06-01T20:06:37Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > I’d like to read about what happened before Frodo arrived for the Scouring of the Shirem, and what happened to Aragorn and the countries of Men after the ring was destroyed. > > I’d like to hear, also, about the backstory of the Nazguls, and how they fell and were tempted with Rings of Power. Heck, the dwarf kings who received Rings, too, and stories of the dwarven Ringwraiths. There were no Dwarven ringwraiths. The Rings didn’t enslave dwarves as they did humans. The only effect was to increase their greed. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/5 "2005-06-02T18:08:17Z")
Coming soon: The Adventures Of Merry And Pippin In The Fourth Age! Hot Elf Babes In Action! What happened in Moria after the Balrog was killed. A novelization of the adventures of Beren and Luthien (sp?). ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/6 "2005-06-02T18:19:38Z")
There are dozens of cool stories that could be told pulled from the Silmarillion. For one I’d like to see the Battle of Unnumbered Tears. As mentioned the adventures of Beren and Luthien would be great (same time roughly as Unnumbered Tears…good lead up to it). ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/7 "2005-06-02T18:35:55Z")
Adventures of Tom Bombadiel This history of Sting ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Freakazoid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/58f4c7/32.png) [@Mr\_Freakazoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Freakazoid)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/8 "2005-06-02T18:40:54Z")
Someone (good) completes _ **The New Shadow** _: 4th Age, 100 years after Eldarion ascended to the throne. **Borlas** is the protaginist. The cult of **Herumor** is the main source of conflict. We met all sorts of great new characters. There will be war and death. Alliances will be broken. New heroes will emerge. Oh, it’ll be great. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Strinka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strinka/32/512_2.png) [@Strinka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strinka)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/9 "2005-06-02T19:49:30Z")
I opened this thread thinking, _Lord of the Rings in the European Union?_ That’s the problem with the frequent use of acronyms. I have nothing more to add. ---
**Author:** ![Orual](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/779978/32.png) [@Orual](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orual)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/10 "2005-06-02T20:15:57Z")
> [@Strinka](#): > > I opened this thread thinking, _Lord of the Rings in the European Union?_ Reason #943 why I am a hopeless dork: I saw EU, my mind immediately conflated the Star Wars Extended Universe and Lord of the Rings. I started picturing Rogue Squadron crash-landing in the Shire… Any part of the Silmarillion would make a fine novel. I’d like to see one on the fall of Gondolin. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/11 "2005-06-02T20:17:41Z")
The Mouth of Sauron escapes to Umbar where he gains support both there and among the Variags of Khand is his bid to become a new Dark Lord. Battle is joined when he attacks Nurn, the nation of former slaves in southern Mordor, drawing Gonder into the conflict. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/12 "2005-06-02T20:24:22Z")
Radagast and the Bunnies ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/13 "2005-06-02T20:28:22Z")
_The Adventures of Elendil._ Some Dumas-style cloak-and-dagger stories, showing how he acquired the “seven stars, seven stones, and one white tree”. _Tales of the Istari._ I want to know what became of the blue wizards! In the appendices to _Return of the King_, Tolkien states that, after the war of the ring, the dwarves are ruled by Durin the Seventh (and last). I want to know why he was the last. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2005, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/14 "2005-06-02T22:22:59Z")
The MERP sourcebooks are quite good for this sort of thing. But there’s a vague sort of implication in the Silmarillion that there will be two more times when a Silmaril lets a mortal get to Valinor - one of the Silmarils falls into the ground and the other is in the sea. Presumably Ulmo could just pick up the latter, but he doesn’t, so at some point either a human or dwarf is going to find the one in the ground, and some fisherman is going to find the one in the sea. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/15 "2005-06-03T00:17:37Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > The MERP sourcebooks are quite good for this sort of thing. > > But there’s a vague sort of implication in the Silmarillion that there will be two more times when a Silmaril lets a mortal get to Valinor - one of the Silmarils falls into the ground and the other is in the sea. Presumably Ulmo could just pick up the latter, but he doesn’t, so at some point either a human or dwarf is going to find the one in the ground, and some fisherman is going to find the one in the sea. It would take more than a Silmaril to get into Valinor. Earendil and Elwing did it only because of their mixed lineage, driven by need, redeemed by bravery and suffering, speaking for both the Noldor in exile, the Sindar, and the Edain. As for the fate of the other two Silmarils, it seemed to me that they would be found after Dagor Dagorath, where the world would be broken, and need to be re-made. Once re-made, the distinction between undying lands and mortal lands would be lost. IMHO. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/16 "2005-06-03T00:23:09Z")
Oh, and I’d like to read about the “Adventures of Amandil” in his journey towards the Undying Lands. Of course, it could be a very short adventure. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/17 "2005-06-03T00:36:40Z")
> [@Strinka](#): > > I opened this thread thinking, _Lord of the Rings in the European Union?_ 😃 Well, it does take place in pre-history Europe. Oh, and I would not mind a more indeph explination of Tom Bobadil’s origins, baised on Tolkien’s notes, but what I would probably get is a “Young Jedi Academy Tales of Horror” book series. (I’ve actually seen this somewhere. It’s Goosebumps for the pre-teen Star wars fans.) ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/18 "2005-06-03T01:21:07Z")
Well, the EU series of LOTR could develop on locations mentioned on the map, but not fully explored, like Harad and Rhune. One of the sadder stories could be how the Elves and Dwarves finally fade from Middle-Earth. And what happened to the Hobbits? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/19 "2005-06-03T01:43:49Z")
How about what happened to the blue wizards? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429/20 "2005-06-03T02:48:00Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > It would take more than a Silmaril to get into Valinor. Earendil and Elwing did it only because of their mixed lineage, driven by need, redeemed by bravery and suffering, speaking for both the Noldor in exile, the Sindar, and the Edain. And also because they did it before the Changing of the World. Aman was still part of Arda at the time, and all the Silmaril on Ëarendil’s brow did was cut through the enchantments that encircled the continent. A Silmaril would NOT allow a mortal to take the Straight Road. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/novelize-the-lotr-eu/306429.md?page=2)