# November 8, 2011 - not a good night for the Right **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2011, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/november-8-2011-not-a-good-night-for-the-right/602377 "2011-11-09T06:54:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/november-8-2011-not-a-good-night-for-the-right/602377/41 "2011-11-13T01:40:40Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Before I was forced to move to South CArolina … [hijack] That must be a culture shock. [/hijack] Have you thought about running for the Senate there? You can’t be worse than Alvin Greene. Can you? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/november-8-2011-not-a-good-night-for-the-right/602377/42 "2011-11-13T01:50:24Z")
I certainly can’t. But I don’t have the campaign infrastructure here to run for the next several years. But I’ll start building it and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/november-8-2011-not-a-good-night-for-the-right/602377/43 "2011-11-13T06:21:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > If the Personhood amendment passed and a woman had a miscarriage, could she be charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide? No, they don’t do it in Ireland or Chile. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > So I see where the issue of cloning came from, but I’m still not sure what you are saying concerning clones being given the right to life. There hasn’t been a successful human clone I am aware of but are you taking the position a cloned embryo wouldn’t have a right to life? In other words, are you taking the position a cloned embryo could (or should) be terminated and this would somehow be different than a normal embryo being terminated? No, while I’m opposed to human cloning, clones from the moment of their “conception” should enjoy the right to life. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/november-8-2011-not-a-good-night-for-the-right/602377/44 "2011-11-13T21:21:44Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > I can’t speak for **Curtis** but, in general, Christians have a problem with cloning as an affront to their god; something about only god can create life and therefore a clone, not created by god, is not life and, as such, doesn’t have the same right to life as a person. Yeah, I already understood Christians have a problem with cloning. The question for me was more about the phrase “right to life”. Something that has a right to life would already be alive, wouldn’t it? So if a living thing doesn’t have a right to life then it would be okay to kill it. That seems a bit contradictory. Not that some Christians don’t hold contradictory positions. > [@Chronos](#): > > One can have laws against cloning and still recognize that someone might do it anyway, in which case you need to decide what to do with the clone. > > More importantly, cloning _does_ already happen: Identical twins are clones. If they didn’t include that clause, then it would be unclear where life began for an identical twin. Well, really, it’s _still_ unclear, but this way they can at least pretend that it’s not. I think you probably did a better job of getting at the heart of what I was wondering about here. > [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > No, while I’m opposed to human cloning, clones from the moment of their “conception” should enjoy the right to life. So at least you, **Qin** , are consistent in your beliefs which is more or less what I was wondering. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/november-8-2011-not-a-good-night-for-the-right/602377.md?page=2)