You did say that it was not a good thing for the taxpayers of Utah. Some taxpayers, even of Utah do actually care more about causes (don’t know about grandstanding) than a few bucks on their taxes.
Yeah I figured - Republicans enjoy seeing people in pain. Of course, it’s not really Al Franken or Democrats who are in the real pain. The real pain is felt by the people who’ve felt victimized all this time but felt that they had to shut up and take it. It’s refreshing to know that Democrats - politically wise or not - have taken the position of encouraging them to come forward. It’s beyond disturbing that Republicans just seem to enjoy watching people suffer - whether those sufferers are the friends, families, and voters of powerful people who’ve fallen from grace, or the real-life victims of sexual predation who continue to be bullied into silence.
You seem to be trying to take the position that Democrats don’t gloat when their opponents are down and out. That would seem laughably stupid, so I don’t want to ascribe that position to you if you mean something else. Do you mean something else? If so, what is it?
ETA: for example, do you imagine that zero Democrats gloated when Bill Clinton was not removed from office after his impeachment? Is that because Democrats “enjoy seeing people in pain” and liked watching the real-life victims of Bill’s sexual predation suffer?
This is perhaps a hijack, maybe it would be best to go back to Franken or start a separate thread?
In this situation the Republicans collectively are smarter than the Democrats, even if it means they have less integrity. The Republicans will just deny or ignore allegations. They know that it’s impossible for any of these sexual assault allegations to actually be proven in a court of law. And so the allegations bounce right off of them. They’re not going to take the “high road” by stepping down. They’re going to do whatever it takes to remain in power.
The Democrats are taking the high road. But the high road, in this case, leads to the edge of a cliff.
Shit, the liberal hypocrisy card! We lose again!
You’re right. I was attempting to respond sincerely to questions posed to me, but it’s become a larger hijack than I had hoped. I will cease asking / responding to any more questions about Utah’s SITLA lands & Bears Ears here in this thread.
I just actually listened to what Franken said today. I had given him respect for doing the right thing but hearing the weasel words he used I’m taking that back. He promised to resign while insisting that some of the accusations were untrue and for the rest his recollections differed from those of the women. In other words, I didn’t do anything wrong but I’m going because Schumer said I must. Why couldn’t he simply apologize?
Are they worse? Really asking because I do not know. Only Bill Clinton leaps to mind. Anthony Weiner too but they forced him to resign long ago. Doubtless there are others but I don’t remember them all. You apparently do though.
FWIW there’s this. I can’t imagine him doing this if the list would hurt dems as much as reps: Kaine calls on Senate to publicly release sexual harassment claims
Not really. The party will manage without Senator Franken. I do hope the likes of Sessions get very upset at being questioned by his replacement in future, because she’s a woman. Too bad she isn’t a Muslim woman.
Two possibilities come to mind. They’re not necessarily mutually exclusive:
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he’s a shitty person (this is my position).
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he didn’t actually do, or at least does not recall doing, the things he’s accused of. Seems unlikely, but whatever.
Does she have a name yet? Really, I haven’t seen anything.
I’ve heard it will be LG Tina Smith.
This is not just about Franken. It’s setting a precedent where Democratic politicians are expected to step down if sufficient allegations are thrown at them, while Republicans continue to be a brick wall. There is no way in God’s earth that Steve Bannon and Roger Stone and people like them are not, right at this very moment, figuring out ways to make up false sexual allegations and throw them (through third, fourth, or fifth parties, naturally) at whatever Democratic politician they feel needs to be taken down, up to and including whoever runs against Trump in 2020.
Thanks, and good luck.
No, that’s not the position; I meant exactly what I wrote. Republicans seem to have a callous disregard for human suffering. I’m not talking about watching a despised political nemesis facing a day of reckoning, which I agree Al Franken absolutely needed to own up to. It’s just an observation that’s impossible not to notice of late - I could have just as easily been talking about the tax bill, but the context is sexual assault in this case. I can’t claim that Democratic politicians aren’t hypocrites, but it seems that based on the evidence we have so far, Democrats are at least trying to live by the rule of law and the rule of ethics, which cannot be said for Republicans. In the Republican universe, truths are lies and lies are truths.
The first accusation his first response was that he did not remember the kiss the same way. He did not deny the kiss happened but he disputed her version of how it went down. No one wanted to hear that though.
The last accusation, the straw that did him in, he flatly denied it happening. No one wanted to hear that either.
So yeah, fuck him. He’s not allowed any defense whatsoever and is not allowed to dispute anything and he’s a shit for even trying.
If so, we can only hope they get caught at it, or every future woman’s claim against a politician will be under suspicion.
They want to get caught at it too, with plausible deniability to the actual party, of course.
After taking down a couple few prominent dems, a few sloppy accusations get falsified.
Then if anyone comes after them for harassment issues, they can point to the falsified accusations, and claim that it’s all just political.
Congratulations on ignoring my other posts on this thread; the posts where I specifically stated I was talking of harassment cases these last few decades or so. The attitude towards sexual harassment and abuse against high profile politicians has been pretty poor by both political parties. When it comes to their own politicians both parties have shown a willingness to cover for the accused politician. Political and media operatives have shown an eagerness to suggest a political motive behind the accusations from various women, they have implied the accusers are lying about abuse at the hands of their favored politician, they have smeared the morals of female accusers(no-one can seriously doubt these smear tactics against accusers have taken place). The fact that this past week the Democrats have eventually dealt with the issue better does not give posters on this thread the right to claim the Dems are somehow superior in dealing with sexual abuse in general; which is what numerous earlier posts seemed to be doing.
Both sides do it. Both sides voters conveniently look the other way when they so wish.