# NOW can we get a pukey smilie?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [March 15, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501 "2006-03-15T19:07:15Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/1 "2006-03-15T19:07:15Z")
[27 arrested in online child porn ring](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/15/childporn.arrests/index.html)
The site featured streaming video of LIVE child molestation.
Excuse me while I go vomit.
Bastards. May they roast long in hell.
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### Author:  [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/2 "2006-03-15T19:09:50Z")
Hell’s almost too good for them.
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### Author:  [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/3 "2006-03-15T19:14:08Z")
Oh, don’t worry. With any luck, they’ll be released into the general prison population waaay before they get into hell.
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### Author:  [@Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greenback)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/4 "2006-03-15T19:15:05Z")
Google ad: Humour Writing Workshops :eek
What punishment can possibly fit for someone who molests an 18 month old? Or any kid for that matter but…
I hope when/if they go to prison, they get to stay in general pop. and the warden announces their arrival and charges.
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### Author:  [@Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greenback)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/5 "2006-03-15T19:16:26Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#):
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> Oh, don’t worry. With any luck, they’ll be released into the general prison population waaay before they get into hell.
I guess they don’t call you **Quick** silver for nothing 🙂
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### Author:  [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/6 "2006-03-15T19:16:57Z")
Great, more fodder for the Google case.
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### Author:  [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/7 "2006-03-15T19:34:53Z")
Well, the good news is these fuckers were _caught_. It also shows that the FBI is actually taking online crime seriously. Well, I’m assuming it’s the FBI, as the article doesn’t actually say which federal agency did the actual investigation. [Ditto for MSNBC](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11839832/).
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### Author:  [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/8 "2006-03-15T20:01:08Z")
Did someone say “Google”?
“Streaming Video Hosting” :eek:
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### Author:  [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/9 "2006-03-15T20:04:44Z")
Enlighten me. How did these people possibly think they wouldn’t get caught going to a chat room called kiddypics and kiddyvids?
There’s a lot of things in life that make me feel rage and hopelessness. Shit like this just makes me want to hide in my room in the corner with the covers over my head and weep in heartache.
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### Author:  [@Aguecheek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aguecheek)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/10 "2006-03-15T20:10:37Z")
> [@Ponder Stibbons](#):
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> Well, the good news is these fuckers were _caught_. It also shows that the FBI is actually taking online crime seriously. Well, I’m assuming it’s the FBI, as the article doesn’t actually say which federal agency did the actual investigation. [Ditto for MSNBC](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11839832/).
Probably 'cause the FBI weren’t the main players. Seems it started with [Toronto and Edmonton](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060315.wcporn0315/BNStory/International/home) police investigations. The U.S. Immigration and Customs Agency was the chief American agency.
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### Author:  [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/11 "2006-03-15T20:34:15Z")
So let me ask you this…the government is suing Google to get search info on its users, I believe to crack down on child pornography.
I’m against the gov’t getting such info, but if there’s no other way to catch these filth-eaters…is there another way to catch them?
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### Author:  [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/12 "2006-03-15T20:40:52Z")
Well, assuming that these sites are being found using a search engine, couldn’t they just hire people to do the searches?
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### Author:  [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/13 "2006-03-15T20:44:58Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#):
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> Well, assuming that these sites are being found using a search engine, couldn’t they just hire people to do the searches?
I doubt very much that these sites can be found on any search engine (though I am not about to check, especially at work.) I am sure that this was kept way underground and all of the pervs were friends of one of the others with the possible exception of an undercover cop or two who managed to get an in.
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### Author:  [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/14 "2006-03-15T21:09:01Z")
I just heard on the ABC radio newsfeed that one of those kids was 18 months old!
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### Author:  [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/15 "2006-03-15T21:35:08Z")
> [@hajario](#):
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> I doubt very much that these sites can be found on any search engine (though I am not about to check, especially at work.) I am sure that this was kept way underground and all of the pervs were friends of one of the others with the possible exception of an undercover cop or two who managed to get an in.
I am sure that you are right, but then that would lead me to think that there is no reason for the government to be hassling Google.
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### Author:  [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/16 "2006-03-15T21:44:58Z")
I don’t know how search engines work, or if these pond scum just typed in the url. Does typing in a url move a site up in popularity on a search engine? For instance, I don’t use Google to come to the SDMB, I have the site bookmarked.
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### Author:  [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/17 "2006-03-15T22:00:34Z")
> [@ivylass](#):
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> So let me ask you this…the government is suing Google to get search info on its users, I believe to crack down on child pornography.
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> I’m against the gov’t getting such info, but if there’s no other way to catch these filth-eaters…is there another way to catch them?
The purpose of the government suit is so that the Child Online Protection Act (requiring “adult” websites to require proof of age before allowing internet users to view their content.) I have not heard that the U.S. government is planning on using the information obtained from Google to track down child pornographers.
[http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/13657303.htm](http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/13657303.htm)
[http://www.ala.org/al\_onlineTemplate.cfm?Section=may2000&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=3973](http://www.ala.org/al_onlineTemplate.cfm?Section=may2000&Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=3973)
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### Author:  [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/18 "2006-03-15T22:00:35Z")
> [@ivylass](#):
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> I don’t know how search engines work, or if these pond scum just typed in the url. Does typing in a url move a site up in popularity on a search engine?
No, it doesn’t really work like that.
Also, the owner of a website can choose not to have the site on search engines at all. It’s a simple matter of using the appropriate instructions in a robots.txt file. Major search engines honor robots.txt requests, and will pass over the website without serarching or indexing it. You can disallow search engine access to some of your site, or all of it.
[Here](http://www.whitehouse.gov/robots.txt) is an example of what a robots.txt file looks like. This one is from [whitehouse.gov](http://whitehouse.gov). And [here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt) is an explanation of the robots exclusion standard.
Which brings us to **Binarydrone** ’s point:
> [@Binarydrone](#):
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> I am sure that you are right, but then that would lead me to think that there is no reason for the government to be hassling Google.
Exactly.
If these sites aren’t indexed on Google or other search engines, and are found through underground networks of people communicating by other means, then what’s the point of getting details from Google?
And if these sites _are_ on Google, then surely the government doesn’t need private information in order to find them.
I guess, given the government’s desire to get our search results, it could be that getting information from Google would at least provide some clues about some people who might be looking for this sort of sick stuff.
Also, i’d be interested to know how selective they are when looking for search terms, etc. I mean, half the legal, US-based porn sites on the internet advertise themselves as “teen” sites, and promote their “hot young girls.” But the women on those sites are over 18, and the sites themselves have all the appropriate compliance details etc.
I guess people looking for actual kiddie porn must use different criteria for finding the stuff they’re after. But, like **hajario** , i’m not about to try an experiment.
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### Author:  [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/19 "2006-03-15T22:01:44Z")
> [@Arnold Winkelried](#):
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> The purpose of the government suit is so that the Child Online Protection Act (requiring “adult” websites to require proof of age before allowing internet users to view their content.)
The purpose of the government suit is to obtain information for the Justice Department to use in persuading the courts of the necessity of the Child Online Protection Act.
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### Author:  [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)
#### Post date: [March 15, 2006, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-can-we-get-a-pukey-smilie/348501/20 "2006-03-15T22:13:28Z")
Shit like this just makes me want to hide in my room in the corner with the covers over my head and weep in heartache.
Ditto — I can’t imagine the horror these children have lived .The evil shit that lives
in peoples hearts is beyond belief.
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