# Now Hillary plays the KKK card **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 26, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983 "2016-08-26T02:07:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/141 "2016-08-27T20:18:05Z")
Oh, shit! Are we gonna invade Gallipoli? ---
**Author:** ![DonLogan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@DonLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DonLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/142 "2016-08-27T20:25:12Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I think the view of “Repubs” as some static singular cohesive entity with some unified goal is dangerously simplistic. > > … > > And Paul Ryan who is anxious to begin a rebranding and rebuilding process that makes their brand less anathema to many college educated Whites, to women, let alone to non-Whites, who recognize that longer term they cannot cede such overwhelming margins of the non-White vote to the Democrats He’s hamstrung unless he’s willing to give up a shitload of power and abandon the Hastert rule, and why would he do that? I wouldn’t hold my breath. I think not having a shutdown or a debt limit game of chicken will end up being “a lot of progress.” ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/143 "2016-08-27T20:31:40Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Russia, for invading Crimea, and interfering in the US election. Russia deserves him. Plus, they have already made the down payment. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/144 "2016-08-27T20:39:55Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Oh, shit! Are we gonna invade Gallipoli? You laugh. Let’s see how this whole Erdigan thing plays out. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/145 "2016-08-27T20:41:42Z")
I think [this 538 bit](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-end-of-a-republican-party/) from July helps fleash out better what I am tryng to express than I can. The G.O.P. has increasingly become “older, whiter, and less educated” than the country overall and some within it understand the existential crisis that they face: > [@](#): > > … Howe’s theory for the racial animus of Trump supporters boils down to simple attrition: “Everybody who was reasonable seems to have gone home in 2012,” he said. Romney’s loss in 2012 discouraged many of the once-energized fiscal conservative activists. > > “This isn’t the most artful way to say it, but it’s like, where do you go when the only people who seem to agree with you on taxes hate black people?” Howe laughed ruefully. “I think what you do is you say, ‘Well, I may lose but I can’t align myself with them.’” > > But instead, Howe said, he made moral compromises he regrets. > > “There are some things that I don’t have core values about, that I can be negotiable on, compromise on. But then there are other things that I can’t budge on,” he said. “I think I thought I had to budge on some things: ‘Yeah, this guy talking to me right now just said he agrees with my taxes and also we need to get that Kenyan out of office.’ Why did I stand there and say, ‘Yeah’? You know? I shouldn’t have done that. I should’ve said, ‘Wait, what? No, that’s stupid. You’re stupid. Don’t be stupid.’” … Yes there _are_ those in the GOP having that epiphany. Now again, I do not know how that will play out. Those potentially repudiating Trump are a diverse crowd themselves and will only share both being labelled as Clinton collaborators by those who want Trump to win or at least Clinton to lose no matter what the cost. Those who do not are making the bed that they need to lie in. What factions will have what power in the future? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/146 "2016-08-27T20:42:38Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > …No, they won’t “die off” and they will very likely still control the House and if not the Senate be within good position of retaking it at midterms… Not completely, obviously, but enough where they will be a gadfly rather than an utter roadblock to progress as they are today (at least in the Senate and White House). I cite twin trends: the increase in urbanized populations, and the similar increase among the nonreligious. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/147 "2016-08-28T00:01:16Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’m talking, however, about bigger issues of principle and the broader direction of the Republican Party. I don’t think it should be just about racism and xenophobia and all of Trump’s other obvious disqualifications; it should be about governance, and i think that one area where the Democratic Party has done a truly awful job over the past eight years is really hammering home the blind and partisan obstructionism of the Republican Party as a whole. Democrats have been oversensitive to accusations about their own partisanship, and in too many cases have modified or moderated their strongly-held convictions as a result. And yet they often let Republicans get away with far, far worse stuff. Yes we have a double problem. #1 is Trump, which is resolvable frankly. The second is the GOP policy of obstructionism. What to do, what to do… > [@](#): > > …and we’ll still be left with millions of bigoted assholes who, instead of sending out emails and social media posts making sly observations and dog whistles about Obama’s race, will be doing it about Hillary’s gender. If that happens, it could destroy the Republican Party. Because women make up more than 50% of the electorate. Sure, some women would participate in that. But maybe, possibly, not enough. The central challenge of the GOP has been to persuade the middle class to vote against their economic interests. Fomenting inter-ethnic strife has been one method of jacking up the base. But I suspect that vulgar gender based attacks on Hillary could turn a lot of voters off, in a way that racist attacks do not. Or maybe I’m wrong: if Trump secures less than 35% of the vote, maybe that means that some will draw a line at racist fog horning. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/148 "2016-08-28T00:16:58Z")
Gee, where did **Urbanredneck** go? Somebody want to check under the couch? The thunder seems to have scared him. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/149 "2016-08-28T00:27:30Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > My reservations of the Post’s relentless criticism of Trump are tempered by my view that Trump deserves every word of what they have written. But for sure, there’s no pretense of fairness or pulling punches. If he “deserves” it–if it is accurate–and if counterarguments are noted, where they exist… what’s unfair? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/150 "2016-08-28T01:00:13Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Gee, where did **Urbanredneck** go? Somebody want to check under the couch? The thunder seems to have scared him. He’s probably reading a different site and muttering about a liberal echo chamber on Straightdope. Because, you know, it is supposed to be an upright, white christian moral silent majority in the country, and you and me are the extremists shouting good people down and pushing unpopular ideas. Like the gamer buddy who defriended me last month said, “You democrats just want to make everyone be like you”. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/151 "2016-08-28T01:04:29Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I agree with you about what’s going on, and I agree that it’s not enough. But I also don’t think there’s anything Clinton can do to change the landscape other than force a rejection of Trump. I’m talking about Hillary Clinton herself, not everyone else. She’s the right wing’s demon in a pantsuit. Good point. The down ballot races are important, and she should help them as much as she is able, but the bulk of the responsibility for those properly falls on the actual candidates in those races. She can only do so much for them, and providing an anti-Trump standard for them to rally around might be the best strategy available to her. It will need to be up to the other Democrats to tie the down ballot Republican brand to Trump. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/152 "2016-08-28T01:08:25Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Have you read the Washington Post in the last six months? Even I think they are starting to go a little overboard on Trump. They are starting to look like the New York Post in terms of relentless criticism of a political opponent. > > My reservations of the Post’s relentless criticism of Trump are tempered by my view that Trump deserves every word of what they have written. But for sure, there’s no pretense of fairness or pulling punches. Can you provide a short list of “favorable” facts regarding Trump that the WaPo has failed to print? (The “favorable” facts regarding Trump that I have seen presented by Faux News have tended to fall into the categories of either “actually unfavorable,” (though presented as favorable by the Trump machine), or lies. What has WaPo refused to present?) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/153 "2016-08-28T05:26:00Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > \I finally got a chance to watch Clinton’s speech. The content of her speech was good (I still find her delivery to be a little wooden, but I’ve been spoiled by 8 years of Obama). I also really liked the forcefulness and very clear presentation of the case against him. \. I think she let her “attorney making an opening statement” side take over, to wonderful effect. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/154 "2016-08-28T11:35:53Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Have you read the Washington Post in the last six months? Even I think they are starting to go a little overboard on Trump. They are starting to look like the New York Post in terms of relentless criticism of a political opponent. Did you read [this WaPo story](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ahead-of-speech-targeting-trump-clinton-accuses-him-of-peddling-hate/2016/08/25/fc3f1ade-6a78-11e6-8225-fbb8a6fc65bc_story.html) about Hillary’s speech? Here’s the header and lede: > [@](#): > > **Clinton, Trump exchange racially charged accusations** > > By John Wagner and Jenna Johnson > > RENO, Nev. — A series of racially charged accusations dominated the presidential campaign Thursday, with Democrat Hillary Clinton accusing Donald Trump of “taking hate groups mainstream,” while the Republican nominee repeatedly claimed that Clinton is a “bigot” toward African Americans. Tit for tat. He said, she said. Hillary gave a detailed indictment of Trump’s racist statements, actions, and connections. Trump responded by calling her a bigot. And this was how the WaPo played it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/155 "2016-08-28T15:06:42Z")
I think Hillary’s indictment of Trump’s racism will be effective in some states but I could even see it potentially having a ho-hum or even an adverse reception in other states. I think she would do well to point it out at opportune times but I would not make this a centerpiece of her campaign attack. I think she has pretty much locked up the minority vote. What she’s going after now are white moderates, who have a range of views on using the race card. Hillary’s advantage over Trump is that she is not Trump. She is a plodding, relatively boring candidate. She is the answer to Trump’s outrageous forms of political excitement. She does not want to get into a gutter war with Trump, because that type of fight, even if she’s right, is one she stands great risk of losing. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/156 "2016-08-28T15:16:25Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > No, they won’t “die off” and they will very likely still control the House and if not the Senate be within good position of retaking it at midterms. I’m actually warming to the idea of Hillary going with a republican minority, provided that they lose enough seats. Yes, there will be intense partisan bickering and maybe even rumblings of impeachment, but I doubt that the republicans escape this election unscathed. But I fully expect republicans to continue uniting behind the #stopHillary banner and this may well be their undoing. Think of it as the Obama and Bill Clinton terms in the reverse. Bill and Barack entered with majorities and lost them within two years, with their reelections in doubt until a few months before the election. Maybe instead we could have republican obstructionism creating the opposite effect, motivating voters to show up and eject the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/157 "2016-08-28T21:43:26Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I think Hillary’s indictment of Trump’s racism will be effective in some states but I could even see it potentially having a ho-hum or even an adverse reception in other states. I think she would do well to point it out at opportune times but I would not make this a centerpiece of her campaign attack. I think she has pretty much locked up the minority vote. What she’s going after now are white moderates, who have a range of views on using the race card. > > Hillary’s advantage over Trump is that she is not Trump. She is a plodding, relatively boring candidate. She is the answer to Trump’s outrageous forms of political excitement. She does not want to get into a gutter war with Trump, because that type of fight, even if she’s right, is one she stands great risk of losing. The speech was clearly in response to Trump’s attempt to attract more moderate white voters by claiming he is not as much a racist as it seems. So it was not addressed to minorities primarily, but I’m sure calling Trump out helps. Trump comes across as very White Man’s Burden to me - let Donald fix everything for you savages - but that may be too subtle for most so a direct counterattack is good. As for your second point, her strategy of just playing his own words in her attack ads is not getting into the gutter, but pointing out that he has been in it all campaign. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/158 "2016-08-29T00:13:40Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > As for your second point, her strategy of just playing his own words in her attack ads is not getting into the gutter, but pointing out that he has been in it all campaign. I agree that Trump has earned the racist label, but calling your opponent a racist - fairly or not - is a provocative charge and one that will elicit emotional reactions among various segments of the electorate. In a sense, it’s getting into the gutter of American political discourse. I don’t think that is where her advantages lie. Besides, as we’ve already seen, Trump is just going to give it right back and literally fabricate his own charges of racism. Again, Clinton is trying to win over _white_ voters who are in the political center, meaning they occasionally lean left, and occasionally lean right. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/159 "2016-08-29T00:40:07Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I agree that Trump has earned the racist label, but calling your opponent a racist - fairly or not - is a provocative charge and one that will elicit emotional reactions among various segments of the electorate. In a sense, it’s getting into the gutter of American political discourse. I don’t think that is where her advantages lie. Besides, as we’ve already seen, Trump is just going to give it right back and literally fabricate his own charges of racism. Again, Clinton is trying to win over _white_ voters who are in the political center, meaning they occasionally lean left, and occasionally lean right. Fie to that. As the Jewish people can tell you, never again they should be quiet. (and black people and the Hispanics -When is Trump going to denounce Arpaio?) [Because it always starts with words.](http://www.jns.org/jns-blog/2016/5/4/the-never-again-declaration) And the Jewish people have also a beef with Trump for him going into the gutter, not only with words, but it is impossible to not [notice the kind of supporters he is getting.](http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/blogs/joe-arpaio-takes-pic-with-neo-nazi-gives-nazis-intelligence-on-marchers-6500180) It is really silly, if not dangerous to not pay attention to the efforts by Trump to normalize bigotry in America. > **[Here Are 13 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_n_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83)** > > He claims to have "a great relationship with the blacks," which is totally something a normal person would say. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983/160 "2016-08-29T01:11:12Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And the Jewish people have also a beef with Trump for him going into the gutter, not only with words, but it is impossible to not [notice](http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/blogs/joe-arpaio-takes-pic-with-neo-nazi-gives-nazis-intelligence-on-marchers-6500180) the kind of supporters he is getting. [Catholics aren’t happy about it, either.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/28/donald-trump-has-a-massive-catholic-problem/?wpisrc=nl_p1wemost-partner-1&wpmm=1) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-hillary-plays-the-kkk-card/763983.md?page=9)