# Now I have seen it all: Kos blogger wants Pelosi impeached **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 13, 2007, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964 "2007-05-13T22:49:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2007, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/81 "2007-05-15T19:45:07Z")
[QUOTE=Pochacco] No, what happened is that \*\*Doors \*\* read the diary somewhere else – [here](http://guntotingliberal.com/archives/1297), maybe – [/QUOTE] It couldn’t have been there. That article is dated “12:11 am on May 14, 2007.” **Door** ’s OP is dated “05-13-2007, 05:49 PM.” May 13 comes _before_ May 14. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/82 "2007-05-15T20:06:07Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] It couldn’t have been there. [/QUOTE] Or maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2007, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/83 "2007-05-15T20:26:55Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] Jingoism, plain and simple. Quite prevalent in your nation and likely the cause of most of your current problems. I like the way this article explains it: [American jingoism is creeping into every facet of our daily life](http://www.onlinejournal.org/Media/051905Madsen/051905madsen.html), though you can find many others on the same topic doing a fast [Google search](http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B2RNFA_enDO204DO204&q=American+jingoism). [/QUOTE] Wow. Now _that_’s an original insight. Golly bum - who’d’a thunk it??2? Now, the connection to this thread is…? Oh, that’s right - you can read my mind. I’m infected with jingoism. Nevermind. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2007, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/84 "2007-05-15T21:29:47Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Wow. Now _that_’s an original insight. Golly bum - who’d’a thunk it??2? Now, the connection to this thread is…? Oh, that’s right - you can read my mind. I’m infected with jingoism. Nevermind. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] I simply used your post, which wasn’t exactly benign towards **Doors** , as an example of how members of the military are usually treated with kid’s gloves in this particular environment. Hardly a first, BTW. Sorry my doing so it has caused you so much grief, but Kreskin I am not. Just a bit of common sense will suffice. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/85 "2007-05-16T00:41:35Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] It was unclear who had posted the work in question, hence who he was criticizing, without following the link, which was one of the problems. To those familiar with the site, there’s Markos Moulitsas, who posts as kos, then there’s the other front-page bloggers, and then there’s the diarists and commenters, i.e. the rest of us. A “Kos blogger” other than Markos would presumably be mcjoan, or DarkSyde, or SusanG, or Devilstower, or one of the other front-page bloggers. So I don’t think **Doors** hangs around DKos. It’s clear that he isn’t all that familiar with the site, and he got the story from someone else who’s not familiar with the site, and **Doors** not only couldn’t tell that this was some nobody, but was incapable of telling _us_ in his OP whether it was just some nobody, or whether it was someone that Markos had vetted to be one of the front-pagers. [/QUOTE] Again, so fucking what? You’ve done pretty much the same thing. And I notice you completely ignored the question I asked, even though you quoted it in your post. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/86 "2007-05-16T00:47:19Z")
Oh, one other thing. You’re complaining because it wasn’t clear who he was criticizing unless you followed the link he provided? You gotta be kidding. Is it so much trouble to click the link? And yes, we all know how blogs work. We know that Kos has it’s main attractions, and then lots of other nobodies. I’ve only been there a few times and I know that. You’re just pissed because an “outsider” dared to criticize it. Trust me, it can stand up to a little criticism every now and then. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/87 "2007-05-16T03:32:15Z")
> [@](#): > > …And yes, we all know how blogs work… I daresay, **John** , that no, we don’t all know that. Would that we did. If I could somehow impel people to a cite, _Daily Kos_ would be a candidate, but would likely lose out to \*Think Progress \*or Josh M.'s _Talking Points Memo_. But, no, we don’t all do that, quite a few of us never do any such thing. _Think_ and _Talking_ appeal to the hyper-rational lefty, the lefty that believes that facts alone are sufficient, spin is extraneous for us, spin is for\* them\*, they need it, we don’t. A site like _Democratic Underground_ doesn’t appeal to us as much, too “hot”, too emotional, too much drums, not enough cowbell. So part of the response to **AD** is defensive, we are annoyed by the moonbats and the Trotskyists, because some clown is always ferreting out some pipsqueek opinion and flailing it about with abandon, and using it to flummox and mislead otherwise reasonable people who simply don’t know any better. There are thousands of people, hundreds of thousands, who’s only awareness of [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org) is the fixed certainty that they called Bush Hitler. All of these facts, all of this cool reasoning, useless, because two morons work in unconscious collusion. Or, in the case of the “Hitler” humbug, one gullible moron and one cunning moron. I don’t doubt Airman’s _bona fides_, nor his lurching but commendable steps away from the path of political error. Trouble is, he just doesn’t _like_ the people he feels compelled by his reason to agree with. So I also don’t have any problem thinking he bought this one at face value, few of us have any problem accepting something we already pretty much believe. I also don’t think its much of a BHAD, he’s coming along nicely, and I for one will be very interested to see where his political opinions evolve ten years after he stops lacing up combat boots. Ms Pelosi failed at her mission, the skies are not filled with troop planes bring home our troops _NOW_. Never mind that such is physically impossible, never mind that a system of movement and compromise simply doesn’t snap that fast. She didn’t deliver, she must be shoved aside and replaced with someone more confrontational. The probability that such a person might actually \*retard \*progress towards the goal doesn’t enter into their tiny little brains. We might live long enough to achieve our goals, if we don’t die of sheer exasperation, the fatal interference of friends and allies. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/88 "2007-05-16T18:26:51Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] I daresay, **John** , that no, we don’t all know that. Would that we did. If I could somehow impel people to a cite, _Daily Kos_ would be a candidate, but would likely lose out to \*Think Progress \*or Josh M.'s _Talking Points Memo_. But, no, we don’t all do that, quite a few of us never do any such thing. _Think_ and _Talking_ appeal to the hyper-rational lefty, the lefty that believes that facts alone are sufficient, spin is extraneous for us, spin is for\* them\*, they need it, we don’t. [/QUOTE] Yeah, right. Those sites have plenty of spin. If you can’t see it, it’s only because it’s your spin. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/89 "2007-05-16T18:58:26Z")
How blessed are you, to so readily see the mote in my eye… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/90 "2007-05-16T19:48:32Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] I simply used your post, which wasn’t exactly benign towards **Doors** , as an example of how members of the military are usually treated with kid’s gloves in this particular environment. Hardly a first, BTW. [/quote] Excuse me, but did that sentence just do a backflip and bite itself on the fanny? A post that “wasn’t exactly benign towards” a member of our military is “an example of how members of the military are usually treated with kid’s gloves in this particular environment”?? I hope you realize that made no sense at all. > [@](#): > > Sorry my doing so it has caused you so much grief, but Kreskin I am not. Just a bit of common sense will suffice. Let’s assume what you really mean is that I’m not being as harsh towards **Doors** as you think I ought to be. As Holmes might add, not only do you have to ask if pro-military attitudes on my part could cause that, but whether there are any other factors - like my knowing **Doors** personally and regarding him as a friend - that might also cause it. The thing about common sense is that it doesn’t operate well in the absence of data. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/91 "2007-05-16T19:56:00Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Again, so fucking what? You’ve done pretty much the same thing. [/quote] I explained why I didn’t. You didn’t respond. > [@](#): > > And I notice you completely ignored the question I asked, even though you quoted it in your post. An interesting thing to say, right after quoting my answer. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/92 "2007-05-16T20:13:32Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] I explained why I didn’t. You didn’t respond. An interesting thing to say, right after quoting my answer. [/QUOTE] Bullshit. The OP is crystal clear in its indictment of that one particular blogger and you don’t need to go to the link to see that he was not indicting Kos as a whole. In fact, I misspoke above when I said you were upset because \*\*Doors \*\*criticized Kos-- he didn’t. You just interpreted it that way. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/93 "2007-05-16T20:52:55Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Excuse me, but did that sentence just do a backflip and bite itself on the fanny? A post that “wasn’t exactly benign towards” a member of our military is “an example of how members of the military are usually treated with kid’s gloves in this particular environment”?? I hope you realize that made no sense at all. Let’s assume what you really mean is that I’m not being as harsh towards **Doors** as you think I ought to be. As Holmes might add, not only do you have to ask if pro-military attitudes on my part could cause that, but whether there are any other factors - like my knowing **Doors** personally and regarding him as a friend - that might also cause it. The thing about common sense is that it doesn’t operate well in the absence of data. [/QUOTE] You are, of course, absolutely correct vis-a-vis my using your post as an example, for it clearly wasn’t written in the “reverence mode” I spoke about. Thus I agree with you that I jumped-in from the wrong starting point. Doesn’t mean I haven’t seen it happen time and again. Look, again, my only point is how militaristic in general the American populace has become. To me, soldiers are simply people with uniforms on, and like in any other profession you’ll find the good the bad and the ugly. Thus I don’t quite go along with the whole “support the troops” simplistic rallying cry. As for you and **Dave** being friends, good on both of you. I’ve obviously got no truck with that. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/94 "2007-05-16T21:08:43Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Bullshit. The OP is crystal clear in its indictment of that one particular blogger and you don’t need to go to the link to see that he was not indicting Kos as a whole. In fact, I misspoke above when I said you were upset because \*\*Doors \*\*criticized Kos-- he didn’t. You just interpreted it that way. [/QUOTE] Excuse the fuck out of me, but what part of: > [@](#): > > A “Kos blogger” other than Markos would presumably be mcjoan, or DarkSyde, or SusanG, or Devilstower, or one of the other front-page bloggers didn’t you understand? That’s why I had to go to the link. You are being dishonest in saying I didn’t need to do so to see that he was not indicting Kos as a whole. Such a blogger would be someone chosen by Markos Moulitsas, and such remarks by someone he’d handpicked, on his website, would quite reasonably cast him in a bad light. Same as a blogger handpicked by Roger Simon and Charles Johnson saying idiotic things in their little venture would badly reflect on them, if you’ll pardon me for bringing up that diversion of yours again. Whether it’s ‘nutpicking’ _depends on who’s doing the picking_. That should be obvious. The people \*I choose \*as companions says something about _me_. Random people who wander into my site and post a comment, don’t. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/95 "2007-05-16T21:08:58Z")
> [@](#): > > …The fact that a Kos-head would stump for getting rid of her speaks to, well, I just don’t know. It simply makes no sense to me. It’s the kind of thing you would expect from the Freepers… This passage suggests are category of being, a “Kos-head”. Generally, when those sorts of categorizations are made, a group identity is suggested, either overtly or otherwise. The comparison with the Freepers merely underlines the glaringly obvious. But no! Not really, there is a perfectly innocent explanation, an obscure cultural reference! > [@](#): > > …I didn’t consider it disparaging. It’s an allusion to the movie PCU, where the “causeheads” were protestors. Which, not coincidentally, is what the Democratic Party has been until recently… You mean this movie? [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110759/quotes](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110759/quotes) This quote? “…These, Tom, are the Causeheads. They find a world-threatening issue and stick with it for about a week…” I, and several others herein, have been tiresome about these very same issues for longer than you’ve been alive. Puppy. Now get off my lawn! So, all in all, its pretty hard not to see some slam in all of this, **Dave** , esp. as you end with a quick swipe at the Dems. You ain’t chucking daffodils here. Which is perfectly fine, ain’t nobody delicate here. Personally, I’m inclined to think you simply didn’t know about how things are done over there, the typically anarcho-democrat approach to posted expression. In that sense, your comparison to the Freepers is apt, its pretty wide open, and the orbiting stations will be heard. And there just isn’t any other reasonable way to interpret your remarks but that you think such raving common amongst the Kossacks, and disdain accordingly. No fair. (And where in the bleeding hell did you ever see _PCU_? You on a double date with Tucker Carlson? Ah, Jeremy Piven, Chris Young…where are they now, we wonder? And the unforgettable Sarah Trigger…) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/96 "2007-05-16T21:12:16Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] You are, of course, absolutely correct vis-a-vis my using your post as an example, for it clearly wasn’t written in the “reverence mode” I spoke about. Thus I agree with you that I jumped-in from the wrong starting point. [/quote] No prob. > [@](#): > > Look, again, my only point is how militaristic in general the American populace has become. I can’t disagree with you; I’m just trying to figure out _what that might have to do with this thread_. I confess I’m still drawing a blank. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/97 "2007-05-16T21:18:16Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Whether it’s ‘nutpicking’ _depends on who’s doing the picking_. That should be obvious. The people \*I choose \*as companions says something about _me_. Random people who wander into my site and post a comment, don’t. [/QUOTE] Finishing up the thought: the nutpicker tries to make something of the random person wandering into my site and holding it against me. To make something of other posters I’ve chosen to share my soapbox, and using their comments against me, is as fair as a line drive into center field. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/98 "2007-05-16T21:52:29Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] I can’t disagree with you; I’m just trying to figure out _what that might have to do with this thread_. I confess I’m still drawing a blank. [/QUOTE] Right once again. It was a rather off the cuff remark I made, seeing Dave once again, picking-up on a rather innocuous and unknown blogger, to make some sort of political statement and/or score some cheap points. Somewhat akin to saying _you_ are as _bad_ as we are. And the present moment – and not in the least for many of the reasons you have mentioned – that simply doesn’t sit well with me. Once again, apologies if my thread-jacking has thrown you or anyone else for a loop. Wasn’t my intention, I just went with a gut-feeling I’ve been having for quite some time. Thus endeth my misguided participation in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/99 "2007-05-16T21:54:38Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Excuse the fuck out of me, but what part of: didn’t you understand? That’s why I had to go to the link. You are being dishonest in saying I didn’t need to do so to see that he was not indicting Kos as a whole. Such a blogger would be someone chosen by Markos Moulitsas, and such remarks by someone he’d handpicked, on his website, would quite reasonably cast him in a bad light. [/QUOTE] Sorry, not buying that. You might choose to interpret the OP that way, but that says nothing about what the OP intended. You are accusing him of a sin of commission with only the slimmest of evidence of a sin of omission. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if \*\*Doors \*\*is pretty contemptuous of the folks over at Kos. But he was careful enough in his OP to use the third person singular in this particular instance. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2007, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964/100 "2007-05-17T00:44:26Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Sorry, not buying that. You might choose to interpret the OP that way, but that says nothing about what the OP intended. You are accusing him of a sin of commission with only the slimmest of evidence of a sin of omission. [/quote] And you falsely claimed that I could discern his meaning without actually clicking on his link, when in fact I couldn’t, which was why I clicked on it to begin with. Now can we get past this? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-i-have-seen-it-all-kos-blogger-wants-pelosi-impeached/403964.md?page=6)