# Now is the time to pay attention. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 13, 2019, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789 "2019-12-13T02:06:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/21 "2019-12-13T13:52:53Z")
Hucklebee is a moron conman, which is why he sucks up to another. He has no intellectual gravitas and certainly no moral standing. One sees where Sarah Sanders got her lack of humanity from. The language is quite clear, nobody can get elected more than twice. The Supremes would reject a 3rd term either 9-0 or 8-1. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/22 "2019-12-13T15:29:09Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Ah, so your analysis is that if Trump were to go for a third term, it would only be because the Dems made it ok? Octopus thinks that if he labels a guy antifa he should have the right to run him over with his truck, which doesn’t mean he’s a pathetic little wheeny man, by the way. Nor a dishonest babyman who’s afraid of reality. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/23 "2019-12-13T15:34:24Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Comedy is harder for conservatives because the Left only leaves us with bitter irony to work with. Yeah, I really like how conservatives want to scream about how Hunter Biden’s “corruption” so upsets Trump that he made Ivanka quit her job at the White House------oh. Wait. Well, I suppose he will fire her once he puts the Russians back on their plane after he hosted that nifty little affair in the Oval Office for Sergei Lavrov----after booting out American press. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/24 "2019-12-13T15:49:01Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Octopus thinks that if he labels a guy antifa he should have the right to run him over with his truck, which doesn’t mean he’s a pathetic little wheeny man, by the way. Nor a dishonest babyman who’s afraid of reality. You are a liar. And I actually live in reality. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/25 "2019-12-13T15:59:12Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You are a liar. And I actually live in reality. What is the point of you? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/26 "2019-12-13T16:17:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You are a liar. And I actually live in reality. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/27 "2019-12-13T16:42:25Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > What is the point of you? What’s the point of anything? We are here and then we are not. That’s true for everything. > [@Airbeck](#): > > Cite? I don’t have a cite. ☹ You know the more I think about it… maybe I _don’t_ live in reality. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/28 "2019-12-13T16:54:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t have a cite. ☹ > You know the more I think about it… maybe I _don’t_ live in reality. :eek: The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem and asking for help. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/29 "2019-12-13T16:57:12Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem and asking for help. Donald Trump is president, Dennis Rodman is an unofficial ambassador, Tesla has a truck, and there is a baby Yoda. Does this feel like reality or a hallucinogenic trip? ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/30 "2019-12-13T17:07:16Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Donald Trump is president, Dennis Rodman is an unofficial ambassador, Tesla has a truck, and there is a baby Yoda. Does this feel like reality or a hallucinogenic trip? Even if its a collective hallucination or if we’re all in a computer simulation, it doesn’t really matter. We still have to deal with it and make the best of it. We still have to get up every day and go to work and go about the business of self-government. Some of us are taking that seriously, and some of us are just posting memes for the luls and for the liberal tears. I choose to be one of the serious ones. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/31 "2019-12-13T17:07:23Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I mean, if Trump had once-in-several-lifetimes charisma, and consistently had approval ratings higher than 70% no matter what, then yeah, I would understand Democratic fear of the guy trying to become president for life. > > But now? He’s an underdog for 2020 itself. If he managed to legally run again in 2024, he might not even crack 150 electoral votes. This assumes that our democratic institutions survive an additional 4 years of a president who has been given carte blanche the senators of the 15 least populous states to do whatever he pleases with the power of the federal government. If we reach the point where Trump is generally accepted as a candidate for his third term, I assume we will have reached the point where the support of the people no longer matters. (Fortunately, I still have faith that we won’t actually reach that point). More to the point will be whether after another 4 years of the Super Size me diet he will be in any condition to get out of bed much less run for president. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/32 "2019-12-13T17:18:17Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Even if its a collective hallucination or if we’re all in a computer simulation, it doesn’t really matter. We still have to deal with it and make the best of it. We still have to get up every day and go to work and go about the business of self-government. Some of us are taking that seriously, and some of us are just posting memes for the luls and for the liberal tears. I choose to be one of the serious ones. I’m serious as well! 🙂 That’s why I advocate respect of fundamental human freedoms as partially codified in documents such as the US constitution. That’s why I strongly reject the concepts of mob rule and statism. That’s why I advocate tolerance of divergent opinions. Unfortunately, that’s labeled hate speech and is a minority opinion nowadays. Sometimes, I do think it’d be a good idea to let the modern illiberal left have it’s way but it’s not as if people learn from the past. So that would be a lot of harm that would not serve as any illustration for the future. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/33 "2019-12-13T17:34:53Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m serious as well! 🙂 > > That’s why I advocate respect of fundamental human freedoms as partially codified in documents such as the US constitution. That’s why I strongly reject the concepts of mob rule and statism. That’s why I advocate tolerance of divergent opinions. > > Unfortunately, that’s labeled hate speech and is a minority opinion nowadays. Sometimes, I do think it’d be a good idea to let the modern illiberal left have it’s way but it’s not as if people learn from the past. So that would be a lot of harm that would not serve as any illustration for the future. You can’t support the modern GOP and the constitution at the same time. They are wiping their asses with it. It’s insanity to worry about some possible harm in the future as a reason to support the actual, real harm that is happening to our country right now, every single day. It would be like having a serial killer in your house, then the doorbell rings, but you are afraid of who it may be because it could be a killer. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/34 "2019-12-13T18:21:01Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Sometimes it’s nice to get a reminder of just how spectacularly unfunny conservatives are. I don’t wanna go on a rant here, but America’s foreign policy makes about as much sense as Beowulf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first Battle of Antietam. I mean when a neo-conservative defenstrates it’s like Raskolnikov filibuster deoxymonohydroxinate. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/35 "2019-12-13T18:22:46Z")
I give that rant 2 Millers! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/36 "2019-12-13T18:39:36Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You can’t support the modern GOP and the constitution at the same time. They are wiping their asses with it. > > It’s insanity to worry about some possible harm in the future as a reason to support the actual, real harm that is happening to our country right now, every single day. It would be like having a serial killer in your house, then the doorbell rings, but you are afraid of who it may be because it could be a killer. Is the modern GOP limiting what people can say or publish? I do have problems with a lot of the modern GOP. Unfortunately, the cognitive dissonance afflicted illiberal left has me more scared. You cannot endorse a movement that advocates the abolition of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, or freedom of assembly in order to deplatform and silence their political opponents. The purity of thought demanded by the nutty left is leading to the rise of the populist right. I’m not a fan of the populist right at all. However, I am not at all surprised to see their ascendancy. Crude but effective Orwellian thought and speech control… it’s bad and inexcusable in internet space it’s terrifying in real space. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/37 "2019-12-13T18:50:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Is the modern GOP limiting what people can say or publish? > > I do have problems with a lot of the modern GOP. Unfortunately, the cognitive dissonance afflicted illiberal left has me more scared. You cannot endorse a movement that advocates the abolition of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, or freedom of assembly in order to deplatform and silence their political opponents. > > The purity of thought demanded by the nutty left is leading to the rise of the populist right. I’m not a fan of the populist right at all. However, I am not at all surprised to see their ascendancy. > > Crude but effective Orwellian thought and speech control… it’s bad and inexcusable in internet space it’s terrifying in real space. Remember that conversation about you not living in reality? Yeah, this is what I’m talking about. None of this is reality based. Fox news is not reality. They tell you what you want to hear. Doesn’t make it true. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/38 "2019-12-13T19:09:40Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > [Mike Huckabee pitching extended presidency for Trump](https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1205211276005101568?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetMore) Oh FUCK no! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/39 "2019-12-13T19:11:04Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I mean, if Trump had once-in-several-lifetimes charisma, and consistently had approval ratings higher than 70% no matter what, then yeah, I would understand Democratic fear of the guy trying to become president for life. > > But now? He’s an underdog for 2020 itself. If he managed to legally run again in 2024, he might not even crack 150 electoral votes. The fat nasty lying pussy grabbing draft dodging conman traitor fuck wasn’t supposed to win LAST TIME, either. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789/40 "2019-12-13T19:22:52Z")
Trump would never succeed if he tried to become a lifetime President. He’d be blocking the ambitions of every other right winger who wants to be President. They wouldn’t settle for impeaching him; they’d have him killed. Trump’s incompetent. He could never hang on to power by his own abilities. The only reason he stays in power is because he’s part of a legal institution that’s bigger than he is. If he ever manages to throw off the legal authority that protects him, he’ll be quickly overthrown by somebody more capable. Trump may look at dictators and envy them. But those dictators look back at Trump and know that he could never do what they’ve done. They don’t see Trump as a peer; they see him as the kind of person they stepped on during their own rise to power. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-is-the-time-to-pay-attention/844789.md?page=3)