# Now it's creationism in Michigan... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 14, 2001, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-creationism-in-michigan/58021 "2001-03-14T23:15:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2001, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-creationism-in-michigan/58021/41 "2001-03-17T05:38:50Z")
I found it interesting that Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo have been mentioned in this thread. I haven’t lived in Michigan for 20 years and the first thing i thought when I saw the list of co-sponsor names was that they were probably all from Grand Rapids, Holland, Kalamazoo, Big Rapids, and _maybe_ Battle Creek. I am not implying that Pontiac/Waterford, Mt. Clemens, or Warren could not produce this silliness, but the legislators’ names all suggested southwest Lower Peninsula to me. ---
**Author:** ![Persephone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecc23a/32.png) [@Persephone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Persephone)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2001, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-creationism-in-michigan/58021/42 "2001-03-17T20:09:48Z")
Gaaaaaaaaah. I come in to GD for the first time in weeks, and I find this. I really need to watch more news. Or read the rag that **Xploder** quoted (we’re from the same city). This honks me off. I mean, REALLY honks me off. You wanna teach creationism? Fine. Teach it in a religion class. I have no objection to _elective_ courses in religious history in the public schools (I myself am Pagan, but find the history of Judeo-Christianity utterly fascinating). Just don’t stick this stuff in a _required_ science course, please. Not until you’ve got something besides the Bible to back it up. ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2001, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-creationism-in-michigan/58021/43 "2001-03-17T21:11:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by David B \* > Just a suggestion: Send a letter, too; or, better yet, call. Well, I would do that if I still lived in my home town (tomndebb called it right, I’m from Holland). However, a letter would show I’m now living in Chicago, and Rep. Kuipers would probably not care about my opinion if he knew I was an out-of-stater. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2001, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-creationism-in-michigan/58021/44 "2001-03-17T21:55:08Z")
**Wartime** I hope that you’re correct. Both houses currently have a strong Republican edge. There have been some nutso bills that came out and went away, but this seems to have quite a few sponsors, and I’m not at all certain that the vote won’t fall onto party lines. The results will be posted. If if gets passed, you won’t even have to load up the page, you’ll be able to hear me scream. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Hugh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Hugh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hugh)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2001, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-creationism-in-michigan/58021/45 "2001-03-18T03:43:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dagger \* > \*\*I’ve always wondered, why the U.S. is such a hotbed of creationism. In Europe, there dosen´t seem to be the same cotton industry against evolution as the case is on the other side of the pond. Especially not in Scandinavia, who is largely Protestant yet creationism there is seen as a joke. > > … a huge number of people in the U.S. want to outlaw “evil-ution”. > \*\* Something I noticed on a short visit to the US was the significant role of the huckster in the US. From Seaworld to TV talkshows to televangelists (to courtroom lawyers if your TV is anything to go by), there seems to be a horde of direct descendants of the snake-oil salesman, in cheap suits, whipping up hysteria: “Friends, you got trouble, right here in River City!” We have a few of those on street corners and they’re generally regarded as nuts. The Scopes trial was a battle of hucksters. The creation argument makes just as as good or better sound-bites as evolution, so it’s grist for hucksters’ mill. ---
**Author:** ![slortar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@slortar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slortar)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2001, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-creationism-in-michigan/58021/46 "2001-03-19T18:51:19Z")
Huckters are integral part of US culture in all areas, not just religion. Besides blowing stuff up and killing people it’s what we’re good at. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2001, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-creationism-in-michigan/58021/47 "2001-03-19T22:56:41Z")
Wartime Consigliori wrote: > [@](#): > > I think that every prudent person understands that no person’s life, liberty or property are safe whenever the legislature is in session (stated by someone else, I cannot remember the source). I’ve read that statement as being attributed to Mark Twain. Then again, the attributor may have been in error. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-creationism-in-michigan/58021.md?page=2)