# Now, it's illegal for a dog to fight a dog, and for a hog to fight a hog, but... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 21, 2004, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936 "2004-12-21T05:08:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Spongemom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Spongemom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spongemom)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2004, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/21 "2004-12-23T22:14:46Z")
> [@Machetero](#): > > Plainly simple minded people fall for evil propaganda all time. I see the Spongemom is no different in the case of animal rights propaganda. Your desire to severely harm fellow human beings who are culturally different than you is rather disturbing however. Especially the wish to make it state sanctioned violence by doing it under the guise of some type of state security officer. Simple minded? How simple minded does one have to be to know that ANIMAL CRUELTY IS WRONG??? Culturally different? It’s part of your “culture” to abuse and torture animals? Where the fuck are you living, asswipe? This has nothing to do with “evil propaganda”, dumbass, this has to do with people who think it’s A-OK to treat animals like shit just because they’re animals. Animal fighting is flat out WRONG, and anyone who thinks otherwise is just a sadistic asshole with nothing better to do than make something hurt and bleed. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2004, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/22 "2004-12-23T22:38:07Z")
> [@Spongemom](#): > > Simple minded? How simple minded does one have to be to know that ANIMAL CRUELTY IS WRONG??? Culturally different? It’s part of your “culture” to abuse and torture animals? Where the fuck are you living, asswipe? This has nothing to do with “evil propaganda”, dumbass, this has to do with people who think it’s A-OK to treat animals like shit just because they’re animals. Animal fighting is flat out WRONG, and anyone who thinks otherwise is just a sadistic asshole with nothing better to do than make something hurt and bleed. I’m living in the real world. One not mis-shaped by the cancer of animal rights activism and the cultural hate and ignorance that it propagates. I would pity those with your ignorance and blind hatred except so many of you wish to legislate your hate that it angers me. BTW it has been the majority of animal rights bigots in this thread, including yourself, that have expressed the desire to be sadistic. ---
**Author:** ![Spongemom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Spongemom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spongemom)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/23 "2004-12-23T23:21:48Z")
> [@Machetero](#): > > I’m living in the real world. One not mis-shaped by the cancer of animal rights activism and the cultural hate and ignorance that it propagates. I would pity those with your ignorance and blind hatred except so many of you wish to legislate your hate that it angers me. FYI, I am not an animal rights activist. You’re probably thinking I’m a vegetarian, too, aren’t you? Well, wrong again. I am simply civilized enough to know that making animals fight each other for sport is cruel and inhumane. Cultural hate and ignorance against what, exactly? Against animal cruelty? Against abuse? Do you even know what goes on in animal fighting rings? The animals are starved and beaten to make them want to fight. You call that a cultural difference? You would be hard pressed to find people who agree with you, other than those fuckheads who think abusing an animal is fun. Do you think these animals don’t have feelings? Do you think they can’t feel the pain when fighting another animal? You don’t think those wounds hurt? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2004, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/24 "2004-12-24T02:33:05Z")
Ease up, Back-Bacon! The “real” football, auto and motorcycle racing seasons are over and who really gives a shit about basketball? People gotta have something to watch. * * * The “wanting” usually surpasses the “having”. ---
**Author:** ![lurksforfun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@lurksforfun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurksforfun)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2004, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/25 "2004-12-24T04:39:58Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s an accepted cultural practice. Speaking as someone who lives in the neighborhood (less than 6 miles away from the ranch), I’d like to tell you that this is NOT an \*accepted cultural practice \* in central Arizona or any other part of the state. If it was, there would be no story. Nobody would have been arrested, dawgs and pigs would have been left alone. Hunting \*\*is \*\* _an accepted cultural practice_, animal cruelty is not. Those nurfballs were buying Russian Boars (big ol hawgs) for the dogs to rip apart. Too sick for words. I’ve been lurking here for over 3 years. The only reason I bothered to go thru the registration process was to tell the world that I think you are an idiot. If you live in my neighborhood and I catch you doing _any_ pit fighting, I, my fellow rescue workers, Animal Control and the Yavapai Sheriff will all work together to make your life very, very hard. If you don’t live in the area, please shut the fuck up about _accepted cultural practice_. As long as its my first post, and I’ve really wanted to use this forever… :wally ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2004, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/26 "2004-12-24T09:27:20Z")
well i agree with **Machetero**. if it’s “culturally” acceptable to a minority then everyone should accept it to, no? i believe we should all return to our own roots and hunt for our own food, and no pussy guns. so i vote for throwing a starved **Machetero** into the pit together with a very hungry hog. man versus the wild and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2004, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/27 "2004-12-24T09:34:56Z")
> [@lurksforfun](#): > > I’ve been lurking here for over 3 years. The only reason I bothered to go thru the registration process was to tell the world that I think you are an idiot. Bah! If you payed your 15 bucks to call him idiot, _that_’d be saying something… ---
**Author:** ![lurksforfun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@lurksforfun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurksforfun)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2004, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/28 "2004-12-24T17:25:42Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > Bah! If you payed your 15 bucks to call him idiot, _that_’d be saying something… Yeah, well…I could spend 15 bucks to call someone an idiot, or I could spend 20 bucks to have a stray cat fixed. Besides, chances are really good that our rescue group is going to end up with some of those dogs. We can buy 50 lbs of cheap dog food for 15 dollars. Not having unlimited funds, I’ll forgo the pleasure of paying to call a nameless, faceless, basically unimportant stranger an idiot. I will get much more pleasure using that money to help rehab a rescued animal. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2004, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/29 "2004-12-25T06:51:25Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > well i agree with **Machetero**. if it’s “culturally” acceptable to a minority then everyone should accept it to, no? No. But they shouldn’t bigoted individuals who try to outlaw it in the same of other discrimantory laws. I’m just not big on discriminating against other cultures even ones that I don’t like. I guess that I lack the HUGE superiority complex and intolerance that others like you do. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2004, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/30 "2004-12-25T06:53:52Z")
> [@Machetero](#): > > No. But they shouldn’t bigoted individuals who try to outlaw it in the same of other discrimantory laws. I’m just not big on discriminating against other cultures even ones that I don’t like. I guess that I lack the HUGE superiority complex and intolerance that others like you do. Probably reads better this way: No. But they shouldn’t bigoted individuals who try to outlaw it in the same manner of other discrimantory laws. I’m just not big on discriminating against other cultures, even ones that I don’t like. I guess that I lack the HUGE superiority complex and intolerance that others like you have. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2004, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/31 "2004-12-25T07:01:44Z")
> [@lurksforfun](#): > > Speaking as someone who lives in the neighborhood (less than 6 miles away from the ranch), I’d like to tell you that this is NOT an \*accepted cultural practice \* in central Arizona or any other part of the state. > > If it was, there would be no story. Nobody would have been arrested, dawgs and pigs would have been left alone. > > Hunting \*\*is \*\* _an accepted cultural practice_, animal cruelty is not. Those nurfballs were buying Russian Boars (big ol hawgs) for the dogs to rip apart. Too sick for words. > > I’ve been lurking here for over 3 years. The only reason I bothered to go thru the registration process was to tell the world that I think you are an idiot. > > If you live in my neighborhood and I catch you doing _any_ pit fighting, I, my fellow rescue workers, Animal Control and the Yavapai Sheriff will all work together to make your life very, very hard. If you don’t live in the area, please shut the fuck up about _accepted cultural practice_. > > As long as its my first post, and I’ve really wanted to use this forever… :wally I really don’t care what bigots like you yourself think of me. My neighborhood is pretty devoid of bigots like you and of bigoted laws as well, so I don’t have to wory about violent discriminatory practices by either the state or civillians. ---
**Author:** ![lurksforfun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@lurksforfun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurksforfun)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2004, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/32 "2004-12-26T01:27:35Z")
> [@Machetero](#): > > I really don’t care what bigots like you yourself think of me. My neighborhood is pretty devoid of bigots like you and of bigoted laws as well, so I don’t have to wory about violent discriminatory practices by either the state or civillians. Let me try again. You don’t seem to understand. Animal cruelty \*is \* against the law in Arizona. Pit fighting \*is not \* an “accepted cultural practice”. The reason this case garnered national attention is because people were arrested AND because people are shocked about the cruelty. This would have been a non-event if pit fighting was an accepted cultural practice in Arizona. I’m **very** happy that you are not a neighbor. Please don’t move out here, you wouldn’t like the people or laws and would likely feel very unwelcome. If you don’t mind a question…where do you live that pit fighting _is_ an accepted cultural practice? You don’t have to be town specific, what state or country? ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2004, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936/33 "2004-12-27T11:35:50Z")
> [@Machetero](#): > > Probably reads better this way: > > No. But they shouldn’t bigoted individuals who try to outlaw it in the same manner of other discrimantory laws. I’m just not big on discriminating against other cultures, even ones that I don’t like. I guess that I lack the HUGE superiority complex and intolerance that others like you have. what kind of **(adjective)** mindset do you have that views protection of animals against sick **(expletive)** who would subject them to pain and torture for sport as _discriminatory_? am at a loss for words… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-its-illegal-for-a-dog-to-fight-a-dog-and-for-a-hog-to-fight-a-hog-but/280936.md?page=1)