# Now see here, Chessic Sense. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 23, 2010, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462 "2010-03-23T12:26:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dragoncat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6a8cbe/32.png) [@dragoncat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dragoncat)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/1 "2010-03-23T12:26:01Z")
Re: [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=556279), post #88. There should be a military draft? Did I read your post right? You seem to be implying that Dopers (specifically, those in the thread) would be the ones drafted. This strikes me as very odd, because I am assuming that they span a variety of ages and countries. But even were it to be the case, do you think of the draft as a punishment (that falls on those who disagree with _you_)? Even if one supports forced conscription, shouldn’t military service be seen rather as an obligation _expected_ of adults\* in a modern nation-state, not as a punishment? Have The Pansy beaten out of them? Anti-gay violence against both [youth](http://www.nasponline.org/resources/crisis_safety/neat_vulnerability.aspx) and [adults](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/16/national/main5091928.shtml) is a serious problem all over the world (links I’m including refer only to the US, but a Google search for “anti-gay violence” will bring up examples from many other countries). It’s a problem in the [US military](http://www.palmcenter.org/node/300) too. It’s not funny, it doesn’t make someone straight and it shouldn’t be condoned. There are gay people on the Dope (as well as non-gay people whose posts might make them seem like “pansies” to you) and it’s incredibly offensive to state that they should be attacked for their sexual orientation and/or non-normative gender expression. Just because someone disagrees with you and has more compassion than you, or because someone is LGBT, does not mean it’s okay to hurl insults at them and threaten them. Sincerely, A (female) Pansy on the Dope \*I am aware that the selective service and the draft are expected only of men in many countries, in which case the obligation falls only on men, specifically young men. This issue is outside the scope of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/2 "2010-03-23T12:35:00Z")
Jesus. “Pansy” generally means an effeminate man or more generally a soft person. Seriously, there’s nothing in the context of that thread to indicate he was trying to insult homosexuals. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/3 "2010-03-23T12:39:17Z")
This is an overreaction of the first order, and given what he said in that post and what it was about it’s nothing short of ironic. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/4 "2010-03-23T12:42:43Z")
[Bugs Bunny] Oh, the ironing! [/BB] ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/5 "2010-03-23T12:44:57Z")
I wasn’t going to pit him for the “pansy” comment but it certainly warranted (and received) an IRL :dubious:. A poor choice of words, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/6 "2010-03-23T13:22:26Z")
> [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > Jesus. “Pansy” generally means an effeminate man or more generally a soft person. Seriously, there’s nothing in the context of that thread to indicate he was trying to insult homosexuals. [direct link to quote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12251861&postcount=88) I’ve never heard the word ‘pansy’ used as a pejorative without it including the specific connotation of ‘homosexual’. To me, that sentence is no different than if he’d said, “Or at least a program where people can go to get _The Fag_ beaten out of them.” (emphasis mine.) Maybe it’s not what he meant but it is rather like calling Liberace, “fruity”. (ie - no, it doesn’t necessarily mean gay, but we all know what it means.) ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/7 "2010-03-23T13:31:19Z")
Pfft. **Chessic Sense** is an aggressive douche, but you’re reading too much into it. Pansy = effeminate and weak, not gay. ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/8 "2010-03-23T13:37:43Z")
Yeah, one time he captured both my knights and shoved them up my nose. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/9 "2010-03-23T13:38:54Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I wasn’t going to pit him for the “pansy” comment but it certainly warranted (and received) an IRL :dubious:. A poor choice of words, IMO. Yeah, everybody knows the PC word to use is pussywillow. And I agree, the irony/existence of this thread just proves his point. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/10 "2010-03-23T13:43:25Z")
If we’re going to pit **Chessic Sense** for anything here, I say it should be for the fact that I’m going to have that “There are two places black people like to go…” jingle stuck in my head for the rest of the day. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/11 "2010-03-23T14:02:11Z")
When he called me a “swishy, fey queen,” knew he meant “doomed monarch wearing corduroy.” ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/12 "2010-03-23T14:04:19Z")
1. Pansy means neither effeminate nor gay. It means wimpy. Weak. Prone to whining and complaining. I originally typed “whiny bitch” but it was IMHO and the thread didn’t have the appropriate tone. 2. I didn’t say we should have a draft. I said we should have mandatory military service, and I mean that at about the same level of seriousness as people who say you should have to pass an IQ test before having kids. Look, Little Nemo said that if Wal\*Mart doesn’t make a big stink about this, then they are supporting institutionalized racism. And I’m saying he’s WAY overreacting to a silly prank, which is exactly what pranks are designed to induce. I’m saying that the people that are boycotting the store are whiny little bitches that deserve to be mocked and jeered for their **PANSY** behavior. They need to stand up tall and quit bitching that someone _sob_ hurt their _sob_ FEEEEEWINGS! > [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > This is an overreaction of the first order, and given what he said in that post and what it was about it’s nothing short of ironic. To which “it” are you referring? The OP or my comment? > [@Bosstone](#): > > Pfft. **Chessic Sense** is an aggressive douche Only in the Pit and GD. You should see me in MPSIMS. I’m huggably, squeezably soft! ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/13 "2010-03-23T14:08:02Z")
Somebody needs the pansy beaten out of her! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/14 "2010-03-23T14:22:19Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > You should see me in MPSIMS. I’m huggably, squeezably soft! Pansy. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/15 "2010-03-23T15:00:10Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > To which “it” are you referring? The OP or my comment? The OP, which was an overreaction to a comment about how people overreact. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/16 "2010-03-23T15:08:38Z")
As much as Chessic’s pansy remark was a poor choice of words for the older leaning Dope, the word hasn’t meant “homosexual” in a long time. It means “wimp” and it amazes me that I’ve had to explain this to multiple people in the last few months. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/17 "2010-03-23T15:59:59Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > As much as Chessic’s pansy remark was a poor choice of words for the older leaning Dope, the word hasn’t meant “homosexual” in a long time. It means “wimp” and it amazes me that I’ve had to explain this to multiple people in the last few months. That’s so gay! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/18 "2010-03-23T16:20:08Z")
> [@Chessic Sense](#): > > 1. Pansy means neither effeminate nor gay. It means wimpy. Weak. Prone to whining and complaining. I originally typed “whiny bitch” but it was IMHO and the thread didn’t have the appropriate tone. > [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > As much as Chessic’s pansy remark was a poor choice of words for the older leaning Dope, the word hasn’t meant “homosexual” in a long time. It means “wimp” and it amazes me that I’ve had to explain this to multiple people in the last few months. Really? So if I checked the OED, it wouldn’t have -any- recent examples of pansy meaning gay? I find that unlikely. But I don’t own an OED. Sadly. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/19 "2010-03-23T16:46:59Z")
Whatever the merits of this pitting in a larger sense, **dragoncat** ’s point isn’t really diminished by acceptance of the (incorrect) assumption that pansy doesn’t mean homosexual, because it certainly does mean effeminate, and it has for a long damn time. It’s hard to believe that otherwise intelligent people will claim that when it comes to a word that has historically had connotations X and Y, where X and Y are nominally different but carry the same kind of stigma, they can authoritatively claim that the word no longer means X, just Y. “No, you know, I just meant he’s not that strong, like a flower! Flowers can’t like lift a lot of weight!” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462/20 "2010-03-23T16:52:59Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Really? So if I checked the OED, it wouldn’t have -any- recent examples of pansy meaning gay? I find that unlikely. But I don’t own an OED. Sadly. Fortunately for you, I own [the internet](http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/pansy?view=uk): [QUOTE=The OED] **pansy** **• noun** 1 a plant of the viola family, with flowers in rich colours. 2 informal, derogatory an effeminate or homosexual man. — ORIGIN French pensée ‘thought, pansy’. [/QUOTE] You’re missing the point, though - **Chessie** says he didn’t mean gay, so what does it matter if the word he used _can_ mean homosexual? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-see-here-chessic-sense/533462.md?page=2)