# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442 "2022-04-25T22:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 158
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3144 "2023-02-09T00:38:33Z")
Elmo now wants to charge sites that use Login With Twitter if they have more than 1500 logins per month. > Login With Facebook and Login With Google, meanwhile, remain free. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3145 "2023-02-09T01:11:09Z")
Dude, it’s for the sake of the ecosystem, tech bro. Diamond hands! To the Moon! ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3146 "2023-02-09T02:07:19Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Elmo now wants to charge sites that use Login With Twitter if they have more than 1500 logins per month. That’s not what that tweet says. It’s saying every token created can only tweet 1500 times a month so you can’t create a bot that will spam twitter on a user’s behalf. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3147 "2023-02-09T02:17:58Z")
The throwing things out to customers aspect of Agile seems to be working well at Twitter; however, the quality focus aspect of Agile does not seem to be working at all. Oh well, I guess that’s what happens when you fire everybody. And yes yes, I know according to the Muskrats the only people left are the cream of the crop. But the evidence suggests otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3148 "2023-02-09T02:23:41Z")
And cream can curdle. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3149 "2023-02-09T04:30:48Z")
…Twitter update: we can all Tweet again LOL. DM’s are back. Still can’t follow anyone though. You get a “you are unable to follow more people at this time” message if you try to follow anyone at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3150 "2023-02-09T06:03:38Z")
Not for nothing, but AI Art site, NightCafe would give you credits for posting to Twitter and that still seems to be inoperable. You can post your pieces but you don’t get the credits. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3151 "2023-02-09T07:35:35Z")
Paywalled, but the gist is clear: despicable is what despicable does. > **[Elon Musk’s SpaceX curbed Ukraine military’s use of Starlink internet for...](https://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/elon-musks-spacex-curbed-ukraine-militarys-use-of-starlink-internet-for-drones-in-its-defence-against-russian-aggression-42334137.html)** > > SpaceX has taken steps to prevent Ukraine's military from using the company's Starlink satellite internet service for controlling drones in the region during the country's war with Russia, SpaceX's president said Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3152 "2023-02-09T09:30:51Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I guess that’s what happens when you fire everybody. And yes yes, I know according to the Muskrats the only people left are the cream of the crop. But the evidence suggests otherwise. Twitter: (fires thousands of people) Elmo cultists: “What a genius! Slim and hardcore!” Everybody else: “Clearly a short-term cost measure, they’ll inevitably pay a price for that.” Elmo cultists: “Look, Twitter is still running fine! Obviously that was just dead weight!” Twitter: (experiences major breakage) Everybody: “Yeah, see, predictable.” Elmo cultists: (total silence for several weeks) Twitter: (gradually restabilizes) Elmo cultists: “Look, Twitter is still running fine!” Rinse and repeat. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3153 "2023-02-09T10:50:33Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Maybe instead of asking how Twitter is going to fall apart with only 2500 employees, you might ask what the hell the other 5,000 had been doing, > [@Cervaise](#): > > Elmo cultists: “Look, Twitter is still running fine! Obviously that was just dead weight!” Yeah, I really do not get the morons who act like a web company is kept alive by every single employee clicking a button every day, and if the site doesn’t crash when they’re fired, they must not have been clicking the button like they should. It doesn’t work like that. No companies work like that. In any given company, whether it’s social media or no, most employees are _not_ operating production systems, _ever_. People who trot out this line “what were those 2500 people doing?” are being purposely and intentionally obtuse, and you will notice that they _never_ ask this question when CEOs, making possibly a 100x multiple of every other employee, resign without a replacement. Twitter was not a profit engine before Musk took over. But it balanced its costs against expenses, was at a break-even, and trending upward, was providing a valuable service, paying its creditors and creating well-paid jobs. This latter bit is what really drives conservatives nuts. It’s not enough for a business to create jobs, it has to create jobs for the _right people_ who are dutiful and submissive to the owning class. Somehow right-wingers got it in their head that Twitter employed a bunch of Trump-hating liberal pink-haired liberals who needed to be taken down a peg. _This_ is what the whole trope “what were those 5000 people doing” is _actually_ about. Musk (and conservatives in general) hate the idea of a functioning Twitter that’s isn’t controlled by friendly interests. So they want Twitter either assimilated or destroyed. Musk prefers for Twitter to be assimilated and making money for him; what he doesn’t understand is that his cultists and right-wing fans would tolerate (might prefer) Twitter becoming a ruined service with no credibility or reach because they only care about it when it hurts their feelings. They will be perfectly happy to watch Musk lose his entire investment, and they’ll blame it on the pink-hair liberals, and label Musk a hero for “fixing free speech”. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3154 "2023-02-09T11:33:37Z")
This decision really makes me hate Elon Musk. > **[SpaceX curbed Ukraine's use of Starlink internet for drones -company president](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/spacex-curbed-ukraines-use-starlink-internet-drones-company-president-2023-02-09/)** > > SpaceX has taken steps to prevent Ukraine's military from using the company's Starlink satellite internet service for controlling drones in the region during the country's war with Russia, SpaceX's president said Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3155 "2023-02-09T11:55:33Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > This decision really makes me hate Elon Musk. Not a surprise coming from a guy who declared that his peace plan for Ukraine was “Russia gets everything it wants in exchange for nothing”. Fascists gonna fash. > > **[Elon Musk’s Ukraine ‘Peace Plan’ Is Asinine](https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musks-ukraine-peace-plan-is-asinine)** > > The Tesla boss and his fellow tech investor David Sacks are hyping themselves as brave, free-thinking diplomats, but they badly misunderstand the realities of war. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3156 "2023-02-09T12:36:21Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > But sometimes what looks like an obvious path to failure to us mere mortals winds up changing the world. I would like to remind everyone that we should lay off the criticism because Musk is a super genius compared to us mere mortals, and this is all part of his 33D (chess) plan to change the world. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3157 "2023-02-09T12:44:50Z")
But on a more serious note, one of the drawbacks of Agile development (and I’m going to assume that Twitter’s SWE is in fact Agile-based) is the accumulation of technical debt. There are other drawbacks as well, but it is perhaps at play here lately. It seems like the rate of failure at Twitter is increasing, which is often a sign of technical debt going unresolved (due to a lack of staff) and failure in quality assurance (due to a lack of staff). > **[Twitter Glitches Pile Up as Key Features Fail](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/08/technology/twitter-glitches-features.html)** > > Many users said they could not post tweets or message one another on Wednesday as the #TwitterDown hashtag began trending. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3158 "2023-02-09T12:47:29Z")
Chris Moody is a former VP of Twitter. I did not independently confirm this so take with a dash of salt. [![](https://i.redd.it/ixny2wq5a2ha1.png) ](https://i.redd.it/ixny2wq5a2ha1.png) ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3159 "2023-02-09T15:16:09Z")
I gotta know, who is the idjit that’s going to take part in a trial to have anything implanted in his brain? I mean, I’m in pharma and I’ve been involved in many trials over the years. I’m comfortable with how trials work, ethically and morally. But opening my brain to put a chip in it? Are you fucking serious? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3160 "2023-02-09T15:29:12Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > 33D (chess) plan I’m glad you added the parenthetical, otherwise I thought Elmo’s plan was to hire buxom employees. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3161 "2023-02-09T15:37:56Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > I gotta know, who is the idjit that’s going to take part in a trial to have anything implanted in his brain? There are millions of hardcore fanboys who’d love to be first adopters into whatever dystopian hellscape Musk is trying to create. So, the number of volunteers won’t be an issue, but I suspect demographic diversity may be a challenge for proper human trials. Lots of young-ish middle to upper class cis-het white males is closer to a monoculture. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3162 "2023-02-09T15:42:42Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > I gotta know, who is the idjit that’s going to take part in a trial to have anything implanted in his brain? I’d assume people with severe nerve damage that are paralyzed or have lost senses. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/3163 "2023-02-09T15:47:50Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So, the number of volunteers won’t be an issue, but I suspect demographic diversity may be a challenge for proper human trials. Lots of young-ish middle to upper class cis-het white males is closer to a monoculture. yes, I can see “da bro’s” camping outside like it was an iphone launch-day and high-5ing the first couple of guys who sign the disclaimer and will get walked away to get “the chip”. my WAG is - for legal reasons this whole operation might not happen in the USofA, but in Belize, Zambia or Mongolia - or a ship under Cameroon flag couple of 100 miles off SanF. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=157) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=159)