# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442 "2022-04-25T22:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 404
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8066 "2023-12-08T11:41:13Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > You mean Elmo will find new ways to punch his own balls? [![](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/561/804/c1f.png) ](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/561/804/c1f.png) ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8067 "2023-12-08T18:16:03Z")
“Look at how agile he is jumping around like that.” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8068 "2023-12-08T18:34:24Z")
> **[After losing everywhere else, Elon Musk asks SCOTUS to get SEC off his back](https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/musk-asks-supreme-court-to-toss-sec-settlement-claims-free-speech-violation/)** > > Musk's last-ditch effort to terminate settlement over "funding secured" tweets. At least this time he’s asking the Supreme Court to punch him in the dick instead of doing it himself. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8069 "2023-12-08T21:53:07Z")
So, stupidity of his sort is pretty infectious, it seems. > ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8070 "2023-12-08T22:37:30Z")
The fun part is trying to figure out just how much of the dumpster fire of people canceling their FabFitFun subscriptions was because they were offended to be told to use the code “GoFuckYourself” vs. how many were offended because they were offended by the support of Elmo. Talk about not knowing your customer base. [FabFitFun Said It Would Spend $100K in Ads on X. Customers Revolted. (businessinsider.com)](https://www.businessinsider.com/fabfitfun-customers-revolt-crude-promo-code-elon-musk-x-twitter-2023-12) > Many customers were not amused. In response to the [ad on X](https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter), some said they planned on canceling their subscriptions. > > FabFitFun did not respond to Business Insider’s request for comment. > > Sophie Smith-Doré, a food relationship and nutrition coach in Ontario, Canada, had been a subscriber for about four years, and said she was generally happy with her boxes, which she considered a little treat for herself. But after seeing the ad, she said she canceled. > > “That ad is elevating a platform that actively and intentionally [creates unsafe spaces for marginalized people](https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-terms-like-cisgender-considered-slurs-on-twitter-2023-6),” she told Business Insider. “I am a mama to a trans teen. This is not a game for me. This is very real.” > > Amanda Andres tweeted a response to the FabFitFun X account, announcing she was canceling. She told Business Insider she had been a subscriber since 2020, but was done after seeing the ad. “I was confused why a ‘women’s lifestyle brand’ was tossing their hat into the Musk controversy,” she said. > > On Reddit, a post with more than 400 comments discussed the ad, with most people who had responded saying they planned to cancel. > > “I’ve never known a company & its owners to show so much public contempt for their customers who are literally paying their wages.” said one Redditor. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8071 "2023-12-08T22:56:04Z")
I only go there for a few minutes a few times a day. I’m seeing quite a few ads from companies I’ve never heard of with very few followers selling items that look like those “as seen on tv type” products. I block every one of them. I hope they know they’re being blocked for advertising on twitter. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8072 "2023-12-08T23:00:32Z")
I think those types of ads on X are drop-shippers using automation to take Alibaba products, rebrand them, and sell them at a markup. The whole process is likely automated. It will be interesting to see if Grok drives paid membership. It’s just an LLM like teh others, about ChatGPT 3.5 level, but it has real-time access to the twitter feed that makes it useful for use cases the others can’t do. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8073 "2023-12-08T23:17:58Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It will be interesting to see if Grok drives paid membership. It’s just an LLM like teh others, about ChatGPT 3.5 level, but it has real-time access to the twitter feed that makes it useful for use cases the others can’t do. Very useful for the feed coming from racists, conspiracy theorists, fascists, trolls and scammers. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8074 "2023-12-08T23:39:51Z")
Hey, whatever floats your boat. For myself, I’m thinking more like tech news, world events, etc. Twitter is still the best place to go for real-time or near real-time news and events. For example, it’s pretty much the only place I go to keep up with breaking news on the Ukraine war, new AI developments, etc. Grok will answer questions like, “Please summarize the major events that have happened in the world in the past hour.”, “What’s new in AI today?” “Any new product announcements in gaming today?” Or whatever else you are interested in. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8075 "2023-12-08T23:46:15Z")
With the current ownership… there will be no warranty whatsoever that the feed will not be corrupted by those bad actors. Yes, even with Grok. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2023, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8076 "2023-12-08T23:47:46Z")
What is the Jewish Space Laser going to set on fire today? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8077 "2023-12-09T00:03:58Z")
Seeing as how it’s Friday night, nothing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8078 "2023-12-09T00:45:55Z")
Oh that’s what they _want_ you to believe. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8079 "2023-12-09T00:50:50Z")
'Member the last time someone tried to train an AI on Twitter? I 'member! > **[Twitter taught Microsoft’s AI chatbot to be a racist asshole in less than a day](https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist)** > > The Verge is about technology and how it makes us feel. Founded in 2011, we offer our audience everything from breaking news to reviews to award-winning features and investigations, on our site, in video, and in podcasts. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8080 "2023-12-09T02:38:43Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I only go there for a few minutes a few times a day. Come hang out with me, I promise it will be better this time. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8081 "2023-12-09T03:15:33Z")
And that was the OLD Twitter. Now we have Xitter, now with more racism than ever, and new and improved assholery! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8082 "2023-12-09T04:24:45Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > For myself, I’m thinking more like tech news, world events, etc. Twitter is still the best place to go for real-time or near real-time news and events. For example, it’s pretty much the only place I go to keep up with breaking news on the Ukraine war, new AI developments, etc. Sure, there is still good stuff on Twitter. But that’s not the point. But Grok will not be using your curated feed. So it’s going to have a lot of garbage mixed in with that bit of good stuff. That does not make it seem like it would be trustworthy. LLMs in general have not demonstrated a great ability to curate or fact-check information. And Grok was created quickly, under Musk’s “move fast and break things” paradigm. There’s not a lot of staff for the feeds to be human curated. And Musk himself seems to have trouble with the concept, believing a lot of (often bigoted) conspiracy nonsense. It’s not like he’s been interested in making Twitter itself do a good job of surfacing reliable information. Any feed using recommended stuff from Twitter is full of crap. You have to go followed only. Grok is already dubious due to its provenance. But throwing it that it learns from Twitter itself seems like a very bad idea. One that a marketer might come up with to make it seem different, but not one that people would think would be useful for accurate information. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8083 "2023-12-09T05:25:20Z")
Grok would just be summarizing and filtering the feed. LLMs are actually very good at that. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8084 "2023-12-09T05:31:34Z")
PunchSelfBalls–I mean FabFitFun is begging for forgiveness. > **[FabFitFun, a $1 billion subscription box startup, frantically backpedals after...](https://fortune.com/2023/12/08/fabfitfun-elon-musk-twitter-x-ad-controversy-promo-code/)** > > The ad offered X users a free gift with their first box if they used the code “GoF--kYourself.” ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8085 "2023-12-09T05:54:11Z")
> FabFitFun turned into a dumpster fire just in time for the holiday season. Elmo is now exactly like his orange hero: everything that Elmo touches turns ~~to shit~~ into a dumpster fire. At least, lately. To his credit, unlike the Orange Loser, Elmo can at least plausibly claim numerous successes. The risk that we (the civilized world) face is that these fuckers are normalizing these extremely destructive behaviours. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=403) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=405)