# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442 "2022-04-25T22:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 432
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8626 "2024-01-16T23:48:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Study They are in the middle in terms of overall range in cold weather because they start with less range than many. In terms of range loss in the cold, which is what I was talking about, they are near the top of the pack. Only the Audi e-Tron was substantially better. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8627 "2024-01-16T23:52:38Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > In Twitter news, it reached an all-time record number of users a couple of days ago. That’s a surprising stat that doesn’t appear to have made it into traditional media sources. How are “users” defined? Can you point me toward this news? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8628 "2024-01-16T23:56:11Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > They are in the middle in terms of overall range in cold weather because they start with less range than many. _In terms of range loss in the cold_, **which is what I was talking about** , they are near the top of the pack. Then you could legitimately have responded to my request for the ideal-temperature ranges by saying _“That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m only talking about the percentage by which ranges are affected.”_ Thank you for restraining yourself from doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8629 "2024-01-16T23:57:17Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > In Twitter news, it reached an all-time record number of users a couple of days ago. In other news, chocolate rations are up, bread lines are down, and we’re closer to victory against Eastasia than ever before. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2024, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8630 "2024-01-16T23:59:17Z")
Usually I don’t even eat my full xocolate ration. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8631 "2024-01-17T00:02:53Z")
Now I’m baffled. I said that Teslas hold their range better than others. You said you wanted to know how that compared to the warm weather range. I gave you a cite that provided both, and now you’re snarking at me. What the hell? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8632 "2024-01-17T00:08:47Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Now I’m baffled. I said that Teslas hold their range better than others. Yes, you were pretty explicit about it too. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Teslas are among the best cars for holding their range in the cold, btw. At zero, a Tesla loses about 24% of its range. A Volkswagen ID4 loses 46%! The Mustang Mach E loses 34%. So what you are saying is that EVs in general suck in winter. Couldn’t agree more. You have a legitimate point that while EVs suffer in the cold, Teslas suffer less than others, so this isn’t a valid criticism. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8633 "2024-01-17T00:21:27Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Now I’m baffled. I said that Teslas hold their range better than others. You said you wanted to know how that compared to the warm weather range. I gave you a cite that provided both, and now you’re snarking at me. What the hell? I’m acknowledging that my request was irrelevant to your point and thanking you for acceding to it anyway. If you want to characterize that as “snark,” well, you do you, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8634 "2024-01-17T00:27:02Z")
And honestly, thank you @Sam_Stone for the info. I didn’t know that about Teslas and I learned something cool. (No pun intended.) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.e/32/8932_2.png) [@Mr.E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8635 "2024-01-17T00:55:24Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Mr. Beast is now uploading directly to Twitter. His first video, posted less than a day ago, already has 70m views. He will be announcing the revenue stats next week. And of course as we know no internet company has ever grossly exaggerated viewcounts to encourage media creators to move to their platform. Nor would Twitter ever provide the biggest name in online video a giant novelty check to advertise how lucrative their platform supposedly is. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8636 "2024-01-17T01:30:44Z")
The real reason this isn’t a valid criticism is that the issue was not the cars not keeping their charge, but a particular charging station(s) that broke down. On Reddit, people immediately pointed out that they have no problems charging their Teslas in much colder countries. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8637 "2024-01-17T01:33:48Z")
Hey, (alleged) rapist and human trafficker and confirmed piece of human garbage Andrew Tate has been making bank off of [Twitters profit sharing plan](https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/twitter-paying-creators-ad-revenue-share-andrew-tate-krassensteins-1235670342/) for over half a year now. Clearly Elmo has been turning Twitter into a financial success. I mean we already know Twitter is cash-flow positive as long as you follow normal accounting techniques like ignoring its debts. > **[The Contortions Required of Linda Yaccarino to Make X Sound Like a Healthy...](https://slate.com/technology/2023/10/x-linda-yaccarino-debt-cash-flow-positive.html)** > > It’s “cash flow positive” excluding its debt. Let’s talk about the debt! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8638 "2024-01-17T01:50:43Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The real reason this isn’t a valid criticism is that the issue was not the cars not keeping their charge, but a particular charging station(s) that broke down. This is also fair. The electric car infrastructure is very immature. I have not given serious consideration to buying one because charging stations aren’t common enough for me to feel secure making one a primary vehicle. I’ve never run out of gas in decades of driving gas-powered vehicles because I am careful to fill up before a car gets too empty and gas stations are everywhere. I’ve also heard horror stories (from coworkers who have had to drive electric cars as part of their job) where they have to wait hours to charge up a vehicle at some places. These are all indicators that we have a long way to go before we can expect to see electric vehicles as the standard. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8639 "2024-01-17T01:53:47Z")
My apologies if I misread your tone. It’s been a bad day, and my expectations for responses in the pit are pretty low. How i got there was that I explicitly said that Teslas were better than most at holding their range in the winter. You asked for a cite that included normal range. I gave you one. Your response included, “Spoiler alert: Teslas are in the middle of the pack.” To me, that sounded like, “Sam’s cite doesn’t say what he said it does” which I get constantly, and that’s when my hackles went up. If you didn’t mean that, and on second reading I really don’t think you did, then I’m sorry for jumping to conclusions. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Then you could legitimately have responded to my request for the ideal-temperature ranges by saying _“That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m only talking about the percentage by which ranges are affected.”_ > > Thank you for restraining yourself from doing so. No, when you made the request I saw nothing wrong with it. Your intent was clear, and I saw no need to clarify. It was the later exchange that triggered me. Sorry again. I should have known better, because I have a lot of respect for you as a poster, and that should have meant something. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8640 "2024-01-17T10:23:27Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > Well, if hating Elon Musk finally made you realize that EVs are severely challenged in cold weather, great. Maybe now you won’t vote for people trying to mandate them. > > Who on earth are you talking about? To be fair, **Sam** is probably talking about this, which I’m sure has got his shorts in a knot … [https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2293672515593](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2293672515593) > [@BigT](#): > > On Reddit, people immediately pointed out that they have no problems charging their Teslas in much colder countries. Not always. [https://insideevs.com/news/628558/tesla-model-s-cold-charging-issue/](https://insideevs.com/news/628558/tesla-model-s-cold-charging-issue/) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8641 "2024-01-17T13:33:13Z")
What I find just a touch funny is that the very first sentence of that article says > Charging an electric vehicle can be trickier in winter when temperatures drop significantly, with the main problems being frozen charging port doors, lower charging speeds and more frequent charging due to EVs’ lower cold weather range. The first of three problems mentioned is EXACTLY the same as for an ICE or diesel. If enough snow, ice, etc., gets attached to the refueling/recharging door or the stuff behind it, you can’t refuel/recharge. The rest of the article is apparently completely sound and on-point. But IMO they stubbed their toe right out of the starting blocks. They’re 100% right it’s a problem with EVs. To the degree anyone is using the article as evidence EVs have an especial problem with winter beyond ICEs, that tidbit is wrong. It should have been mentioned, but IMO not right out of the gate. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8642 "2024-01-17T14:50:59Z")
Does the article ever mention combustion engines, or is it only talking about EVs? If the latter, no toe was stubbed. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8643 "2024-01-17T15:06:20Z")
I note that in that chart, the winter range of the first two appears to be roughly equivalent to the normal range of the Teslas. Just an observation. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8644 "2024-01-17T17:09:26Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The first of three problems mentioned is EXACTLY the same as for an ICE or diesel. If enough snow, ice, etc., gets attached to the refueling/recharging door or the stuff behind it, you can’t refuel/recharge. Well, I don’t know if problems of accessing the charge port (/fuel door) is a greater problem on EVs or not, but I will say that after driving over 35 years in New England, starting from when gasholes were still behind the license plate, I can count on zero fingers the number of times I couldn’t refuel a vehicle due to cold or ice. I’m not saying it NEVER happens, and I did once have to enter through the rear passenger door in an ice storm, but I wouldn’t describe it as a major issue. Is there a reason it would be different on an EV? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2024, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/8645 "2024-01-17T17:18:38Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Is there a reason it would be different on an EV? IANA expert, but I would expect “no”. Which is why mentioning it seemed odd to me. Now I was approaching the article from the POV of this thread; the eternal battle between EB lovers and EV haters while most of us sit in the middle. So ref @EllisDee’s response a few posts ago, I may have been reading more tone of (ICE vs EV) into the article than the authors intend. If it was simply simply as self-help info for EV owners, then my concern is indeed misplaced. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=431) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=433)