# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442 "2022-04-25T22:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 488
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9776 "2024-06-18T03:16:15Z")
The recently imposed inability to ban ads - and in some cases even to flag them as “Not interested” - is an annoying development, particularly as the ads are increasingly right-wing propaganda you can’t block or respond to. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9777 "2024-06-18T21:25:31Z")
Pfffffft > ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9778 "2024-06-19T05:14:30Z")
Twitter-X competitor Post News closed shop in April, and I only noticed yesterday. > **[Twitter alternative Post News is shutting down](https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/19/24135011/twitter-alternative-post-news-shutdown)** > > Mastodon and Bluesky are still standing. I still have 2 Mastodon accounts, a threads account and Bluesky. I have Spoutible as well, which is an embarrassment. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9779 "2024-06-19T14:09:58Z")
I had never even _heard_ of Post News. Where did that come from? I have a Threads account I occasionally check, but not really. I wasn’t really a Twitter user, either, so this form of social media is not a natural match for me. I also have Mastodon and Blue Sky accounts in theory out there, somewhere, though I can’t remember checking them for at least six months. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9780 "2024-06-19T16:27:07Z")
Here’s a Dec 2022 article about Twitter’s competition. > **[The race to build a better Twitter](https://www.theverge.com/23494253/elon-musk-twitter-alternatives-mastodon-post-hive-narwhal)** > > These platforms are vying to become the next Twitter. My impression was that Post was journalism oriented. I had not heard of Narwhal and it is 404 now. Over at Mastadon, one of the servers I signed up for folded shop (econtwitter). Musk began his reign of Twitter-X with a mass firing so a tip of the hat to the crew that kept that website from 404ing. The big weakness with the competitors is that they don’t have a critical mass of people I want to follow. A clever app that cross-posts, one that resists attempts to thwart it, could solve that problem. It might post via a browser to disguise its automated origins. Maybe it could be as straightforward as scraping a pre-existing twitter post, then cross posting to Threads or Bluesky. The latter are unlikely to put up high barriers and Mastodon has explicitly open standards. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9781 "2024-06-22T14:51:16Z")
Meanwhile… > **[Arizona toddler rescued after getting trapped in a Tesla with a dead battery](https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/21/24183439/tesla-model-y-arizona-toddler-trapped-rescued)** > > Firefighters had to use an ax to smash through the window. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9782 "2024-06-22T15:10:45Z")
According to the story, this wasn’t a case of “leave the kid in there, they’ll be fine with the air conditioning on”. This was “momentarily close the door on the kid and then discover the 12-volt accessory battery was dead and there was no way to open the door again.” So, Tesla “fail fast, fail forward” engineering at its failiest. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9783 "2024-06-22T15:17:44Z")
So it’s literally impossible to open the door from the outside if the battery dies? There’s no manual entry whatsoever? ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9784 "2024-06-22T15:19:31Z")
That’s what the article implies. At least, none that the owner and the first responders knew about, since they wound up bashing in a window with a fire axe. > [@](#): > > The car’s owner, Renee Sanchez, was taking her granddaughter to the zoo, but after loading the child in the Model Y, she closed the door and wasn’t able to open it again. “My phone key wouldn’t open it,” Sanchez said in an interview with _Arizona’s Family_. “My car key wouldn’t open it.” She called emergency services, and firefighters were dispatched to help. > > It is possible to open doors in a Model Y if you’re [inside the vehicle when it has no power](https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_us/GUID-A7A60DC7-E476-4A86-9C9C-10F4A276AB8B.html); there’s a latch to open a front door and a cable to open a back door. But that wasn’t an option for the young child, who was buckled into their car seat while Sanchez was stuck outside the car. Thank Elon it wasn’t a Cybertruck; they’d have NEVER gotten in. 🤪 Maybe one of our local Teslarati can clarify or confirm this. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9785 "2024-06-22T15:27:47Z")
According to the article you’d basically have to jumpstart it. Not sure how that works with an electric car. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9786 "2024-06-22T15:30:56Z")
Not sure how that works when you can’t get in the car, either. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9787 "2024-06-22T15:31:46Z")
I think there’s hidden jump points to pop the frunk, and inside the frunk there are jump points from which you can supply power to the rest of the car. I hate Tesla for making simple things like opening the door electrical nightmares, but it’s an industry trend. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9788 "2024-06-22T15:32:23Z")
“Frunk”? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9789 "2024-06-22T15:32:46Z")
Front trunk. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9790 "2024-06-22T17:53:16Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “Frunk”? Just think of it as another reason to hate Tesla. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9791 "2024-06-22T21:46:01Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > There’s no manual entry whatsoever? Lots. Fire Axe, Hammer, Mattock, Baseball Bat, Pulaski… ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9792 "2024-06-22T21:49:36Z")
Everything except Elon’s machine gun… ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9793 "2024-06-23T17:22:44Z")
> Firefighters had to use an ax to smash through the window. We should be thankful that Elmo isn’t yet building fire trucks. Or axes. Though I understand that he’s invented a really cool flamethrower. Its major attribute is that, much like Elmo himself, it’s completely useless. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9794 "2024-06-23T17:39:02Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > “Frunk”? > > Just think of it as another reason to hate Tesla. Calling the front trunk of mid- or rear-engined cars a “frunk” dates back to the 1960s. Feel free to hate Elmo as you will, but this isn’t a valid reason for that. Not that any of us are casting about to find that rare and oh-so-slender reed upon which to hang our Elmo-hate; he provides plenty of giant Sequoia-sized trunks to grasp. Plus a fresh one every few hours if somehow we can’t see the existing giant forest. As to the trapped toddler, it seems there must have been some manner of malfunction or (less likely) operator configuration error to end up in a situation where the main power source battery had charge, but the 12V accessory / standby battery did not. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/9795 "2024-06-23T17:49:28Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > As to the trapped toddler, it seems there must have been some manner of malfunction or (less likely) operator configuration error to end up in a situation where the main power source battery had charge, but the 12V accessory / standby battery did not.   There is mention somewhere of a Tesla becoming inoperable when the 12v battery dies, so it’s something that definitely can happen. Something I can identify with due to my fairly new non-EV battery suddenly and unexpectedly experiencing catastrophic failure earlier this year. Working fine one day, then a few days later, completely flat – not enough power to even turn on the interior lights. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=487) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=489)