# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442 "2022-04-25T22:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1401 "2022-11-20T23:24:44Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > And, frankly, I’m not interested in spending the same effort rebutting you, sorry. But I can honestly say… from the depths of my _knowledge_ and _experience_… that you are just wrong. Agreed and thank you. FTR, I’m one of your many followers over there. 😛 Twitter communities are incredibly informative and I don’t know how we will replace them. I belong to a somewhat disparate set of these communities including neurology, disabled activism, fashion history, books, and RPGs. I am saddened that in all likelihood I will not be able to connect with all of these people again. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1402 "2022-11-21T00:01:01Z")
> [@Maserschmidt](#): > > He won’t be able to resist returning to Twitter. That level of attention is among his many Greek-tragedy-level fatal flaws… He won’t return to Twitter until it is absolutely, positively not going to fail. He believes that he WAS Twitter. It would reflect poorly on him if he came back and did not save it. He’s not going to take that chance. Right now he’ll just take pot shots at Elon and declare that Elon is begging him to come back. If Twitter fails, he will rejoice. If it ever gets back to normal, then he will return and claim to have saved it. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1403 "2022-11-21T00:11:56Z")
Trump’s overwhelming priority is to be elected to the Presidency again. So he is going to do anything he can to achieve that goal. Twitter provides substantial additional reach so he will use it–no matter whether or not it has a negative effect on Truth Social and whether or not Twitter eventually fails. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1404 "2022-11-21T00:26:22Z")
Apparently people are posting full movies on Twitter now as the moderation team is gone and the automatic system appears to not be working. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t not enforcing copyright strikes a legal liability for Twitter/Musk? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1405 "2022-11-21T00:37:30Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t not enforcing copyright strikes a legal liability for Twitter/Musk? I don’t know how hard copyright owners fight piracy anymore. There are pirate sites (not just torrent links, full copies of the media) that have been operating for years without being taken down. Even sites that don’t have secret owners and servers hidden in lax countries. [Archive.org](http://Archive.org), for example, has _vast_ amounts of straight-up pirated books, movies, TV shows, comics, etc that have been there for years. Copyright lawsuits are probably among Musk’s lesser worries. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1406 "2022-11-21T00:46:06Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > > [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > > > Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t not enforcing copyright strikes a legal liability for Twitter/Musk? ⁢ > > I don’t know how hard copyright owners fight piracy anymore. There are pirate sites (not just torrent links, full copies of the media) that have been operating for years without being taken down. Even sites that don’t have secret owners and servers hidden in lax countries. [Archive.org](http://Archive.org), for example, has _vast_ amounts of straight-up pirated books, movies, TV shows, comics, etc that have been there for years. Copyright lawsuits are probably among Musk’s lesser worries. ⁢ It depends heavily on the copyright owner. [Archive.org](http://Archive.org) tends to get by with it being older stuff. And, of course, they have that extra argument that they’re just an archive and deserve the archive exception. (As you pointed out, it probably wouldn’t survive in court if pressed, but most don’t want to.) I also still don’t see current movies hosted much on American sites that would be easy to take down. But I also am not big in the scene anymore, and always torrented when I was. My suspicion is that Twitter could get in trouble with something sufficiently modern from the right studio who wants to make an example. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1407 "2022-11-21T00:51:08Z")
> [@Charlie\_Tan](#): > > Twitter is not a media, it’s a tool, such as the phone, and the way it works, when it’s at its best, is by rapid proliferation of the message to a lot of different sources and receivers. The way you argue is the way someone used to writing long hand in the mid of the 19th century would’ve argued against the telegraph. So really fast gossip, in other words. That’s useful. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1408 "2022-11-21T00:55:50Z")
It is, indeed. And gossip is very useful to the journalist. That’s how it turns into researched and fleshed-out stories. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1409 "2022-11-21T01:06:25Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > Trump’s overwhelming priority is to be elected to the Presidency again. So he is going to do anything he can to achieve that goal. Trump is not a big picture kind of guy. For him, it’s always personal. If he returns, yes he gets more eyeballs and that’s good for him but also good for Elon. It’s a win/win. And Trump doesn’t do win/win. It’s not his style. Especially if he thinks you betrayed him (Elon has said he is backing DeSantis) then Trump will never do anything to help you, even if it hurts him. He can very easily convince himself that he doesn’t need the failing loser Twitter. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1410 "2022-11-21T02:14:54Z")
A lot of posts here. Not sure if this headline has been posted yet, but it certainly made me laugh: # Twitter employees who technically resigned on Thursday say they can still use internal systems, amid speculation the staff responsible for cutting access are also quitting ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1411 "2022-11-21T02:22:21Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > [Archive.org](http://Archive.org) tends to get by with it being older stuff. And, of course, they have that extra argument that they’re just an archive and deserve the archive exception. For the most recent material, they have the “you can sign this out for an hour” approach, to argue that they’re an e-library, loaning out an e-version of a book. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1412 "2022-11-21T02:52:51Z")
Elon is now just posting memes about wanting Trump to fuck him (very NSFW;) [https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1594500655724609536](https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1594500655724609536) Imagine being the world’s richest man and simping this hard for a failed wannabe dictator. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1413 "2022-11-21T04:02:53Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > For the most recent material, they have the “you can sign this out for an hour” approach, to argue that they’re an e-library, loaning out an e-version of a book. That is the “official” stuff that staff has posted ([which in itself isn’t up there with permission of the copyright holders](https://www2.societyofauthors.org/2022/07/18/publishers-vs-internet-archive-huge-implications-for-us-copyright-law-and-piracy/)). But there are also the copies posted by individual users, which have no restrictions at all. For instance, there is an archive of the first 14 omnibus edition volumes of the English language translation of the manga _Urusei Yatsura_ [currently being published by Viz](https://www.viz.com/urusei-yatsura). That archive has been there since July 2021. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1414 "2022-11-21T04:10:18Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Elon is now just posting memes about wanting Trump to fuck him (very NSFW;) Substance abuse comes to mind at this point. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1415 "2022-11-21T05:05:45Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > A lot of posts here. Not sure if this headline has been posted yet, but it certainly made me laugh: > > > Twitter employees who technically resigned on Thursday say they can still use internal systems, amid speculation the staff responsible for cutting access are also quitting (Reformatted the headline to a smaller font.) That’s almost as funny as Yoel Roth, head of Trust and Integrity at Twitter, tweeting that the vast majority of content moderators were still on board. And then, suddenly, Roth himself was gone! I can think of three possible reasons that the employees who failed to agree to Musk’s ultimatum still have access to internal systems, and none of them portend well for Twitter: 1. Musk has once again changed his mind because of the sheer number of additional employees leaving. 2. As per speculation, the staff responsible for processing the sackings have been sacked, which has only happened before in a Monty Python movie. 3. Just sheer chaos, where no actions have been taken because no one – including Musk – has any plan or any idea what’s going on. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1416 "2022-11-21T09:54:05Z")
tweet is gone … what did it say (paraphrasing)? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1417 "2022-11-21T10:13:52Z")
It’s still showing for me, but if you can’t see it, here’s a description. The text is “And lead us not into temptation”, accompanied by a drawing of a Franciscan monk standing in front of a schoolgirl who is bent over with her skirt hiked up, showing that she is not wearing underwear. The monk is captioned “Donald Trump” and the Twitter blue bird logo is obscuring the schoolgirl’s genitals. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1418 "2022-11-21T10:47:17Z")
Is he suggesting that Trump is fucking him over by not returning to Twitter? Ye is back and I blocked him. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1419 "2022-11-21T10:54:01Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Is he suggesting that Trump is fucking him over by not returning to Twitter? Seems to me the implication is that Trump isn’t fucking him, and that makes him sad. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1420 "2022-11-21T13:40:07Z")
This morning a bunch of tweets from some people with “anti-woke” views are being promoted on my feed. That’s new. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=72)