# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442 "2022-04-25T22:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1441 "2022-11-21T22:40:55Z")
Yeah, I cannot see that convincing advertisers that have left to come back, and my drive even more away. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1442 "2022-11-21T23:03:23Z")
And if I were a woman, I would be more than reticent of working in an environment where that type of imagery is tolerated, much less promoted by my boss. Is this a frat house or something, or are we 13-year-old boys? (Don’t answer that.) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1443 "2022-11-21T23:12:09Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Yeah, that’s clearly (to me) what it means, but I’m just shocked at that kind of sexual imagery coming from the CEO of a company, though I suppose I shouldn’t be. Someone suggested he may have been on drugs at the time, and I wouldn’t doubt it. At any rate, Musk strikes me as a Jordan Belfort type of character, when Belfort was at his drug-addled worst. Musk has been justifiably excused because he really has produced valuable results for the world, or at least had his name linked with valuable results, but the momentum of reputation can only carry you so far. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1444 "2022-11-21T23:23:32Z")
Well, I did write “was he high?” when I forwarded it to a friend after ascertaining its veracity, but Musk hasn’t taken it down. It does seem like a “drunk post” I might make when all my filters had been turned off, but who knows. He does very much have the vibe of “look at me! I’m such a rebel” and “I don’t care for this sanitized corporate speak; I’m such an iconoclast.” I was like that once too (minus the billions of dollars). That was freshman year college. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1445 "2022-11-22T00:10:08Z")
Elon has now fired most of the rest of the sales team and unbanned Marjorie Taylor Greene. [https://www.seattletimes.com/business/musk-fires-more-twitter-sales-workers-after-hardcore-purge/](https://www.seattletimes.com/business/musk-fires-more-twitter-sales-workers-after-hardcore-purge/) > **[Elon Musk’s Twitter reinstates Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene](https://www.seattletimes.com/business/elon-musks-twitter-reinstates-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene/)** > > Twitter has reinstated the personal account of far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who was banned in January for violating COVID misinformation policies at the time. It’s starting to look like he wants to just turn Twitter into 2008 4chan. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1446 "2022-11-22T00:21:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It’s starting to look like he wants to just turn Twitter into 2008 4chan. μchan? μ being short for “Musk”, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1447 "2022-11-22T00:31:36Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Just sheer chaos, where no actions have been taken because no one – including Musk – has any plan or any idea what’s going on. Best case scenario: Musk takes over Fox News next. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1448 "2022-11-22T02:08:57Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > > [@octopus](#): > > > > Trump is the monk. The desire to use Twitter is what the woman represents. Staying faithful, to another platform, is the test of resolve. > > That sounds like the perfect decode Yep, that’s what I got. Manara, meanwhile on his own socials commented (translated from Italian by FB) : > I wish Elon Musk would be forced to tweet a thousand times: > > “I will never use Milo Manara drawings again without permission. I will never again use Milo Manara’s drawings without permission. I will never again use…” > > How about I sue him, asking for $44Bn in compensation? Then I could buy back Twitter and give it back to someone else to manage! And he did his own redraft of the image, with the monk labeled “Manara’s lawyers” and the lady’s, erm, privacy cover replaced by Musk’s face and the phrase “Elon Musk double billions of dogecoin”. He does have a point that came to my mind when I first saw that, I mean, that is _not_ a public domain image. But it does represent of course the whole lack of respect for what others have to say that is, as I said in my earlier post, “on brand”. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1449 "2022-11-22T02:16:08Z")
That would be great. He can sink that into the ground too. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1450 "2022-11-22T05:17:31Z")
Elon has personally lost $8.6 billion **today** and has lost $100 billion since the beginning of the year. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-21/elon-musk-s-2022-wealth-loss-exceeds-100-billion-for-first-time](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-21/elon-musk-s-2022-wealth-loss-exceeds-100-billion-for-first-time) Imagine being the richest man in the world and yet being so absolutely incompetent that you destroy more of your own wealth in a single day than almost every human being who has ever lived or ever will live will ever have possessed over the course of their entire lives. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1451 "2022-11-22T05:24:49Z")
I mean, a large part of that is just that Tesla stock was ludicrously overpriced and now is slightly less ludicrously overpriced. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1452 "2022-11-22T05:46:41Z")
And perhaps that revaluation wouldn’t be happening if he wasn’t showing the entire world that he has the impulse control and emotional maturity of a horny 13-year-old. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1453 "2022-11-22T06:44:30Z")
Exactly. There are multiple reasons why Tesla shareholders keep suing him and have grounds to continue doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1454 "2022-11-22T12:47:34Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > And if I were a woman, I would be more than reticent of working in an environment where that type of imagery is tolerated, much less promoted by my boss. This a known issue. Tesla and Spacex are rampant with sexual harassment and discrimination, and racism too. > **[Six Tesla workers file additional lawsuits alleging sexual harassment](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/12/14/tesla-sexual-harassment/)** > > The women brought their suits after Jessica Barraza sued Tesla in November alleging "nightmarish conditions" and "rampant sexual harassment" at its factory. > **["Misogyny is rampant": Former Engineer Attacks SpaceX Culture While Sexual...](https://parabolicarc.com/2021/12/15/misogyny-is-rampant-former-engineer-attacks-spacex-culture-as-sexual-harassment-lawsuits-pile-up-against-tesla/)** > > by Douglas MessierManaging Editor Former SpaceX engineer Ashley Kosak has published an essay alleging rampant sexual harassment at Elon Musk’s space company, portraying a dysfunctional company where management is unwilling to respond to complaints or... > **[SpaceX and Tesla sexual harassment allegations reveal an endemic issue](https://www.inverse.com/innovation/spacex-sexual-harassment)** > > Do SpaceX and Tesla have a sexual harassment problem? CEO Elon Musk's companies are under the spotlight with multiple allegations of abuse. > **[Black Tesla employees describe a culture of racism: 'I was at my breaking point'](https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-03-25/black-tesla-employees-fremont-plant-racism-california-lawsuit)** > > In their own words, former Tesla employees describe what they call a racist work environment that led California to file a civil rights lawsuit against the company. > **[Tesla must pay $137 million to ex-worker over hostile work environment, racism](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/10/05/tesla-must-pay-137-million-to-ex-worker-over-hostile-work-environment-racism.html)** > > Diaz told the court colleagues used epithets, told him to "go back to Africa" and left racist graffiti in the restrooms and a racist drawing in his workspace. > **[Fired SpaceX employees accuse Elon Musk's company of violating labor laws](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/economy/fired-spacex-employees-accuse-elon-musks-company-of-violating-labor-laws)** > > Several SpaceX employees who were fired after circulating an open letter calling out CEO Elon Musk's behavior have filed a complaint accusing the company of violating labor laws. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1455 "2022-11-22T13:46:43Z")
Here’s a really good, non-paywalled WSJ article about Twitter’s finances. Some of the recent employee growth surprised me, both in terms of FTE and $, and I can see why Musk might imagine some bloat. Still, it all feels doomed if he can’t con(vince) more investors. > **[How Elon Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenue and Surging...](https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-elon-musks-twitter-faces-mountain-of-debt-falling-revenue-and-surging-costs-11669042132)** > > The social-media company is working to bring down expenses as many advertisers pause spending and debt payments loom. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1456 "2022-11-22T13:54:28Z")
Is there any way to know how many current owners of Tesla stock bought it at below the current price and how many bought it at a higher price? Just curious ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1457 "2022-11-22T17:25:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > unbanned Marjorie Taylor Greene. Sure, this seems bad, but **suranyi** is still getting real-time concert ticket updates, so that seems like a fair trade-off. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1458 "2022-11-22T17:34:03Z")
Pretty sure the two are independent of each other, with only one being causal with the change in ownership. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1459 "2022-11-22T17:51:15Z")
Did I say I liked or approved of Elon Musk’s actions? No, I did not, and I do not. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2022, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1460 "2022-11-22T18:01:17Z")
Sorry, I should have put the ol’ winky on there 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=74)