# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442 "2022-04-25T22:50:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1681 "2022-11-29T05:37:50Z")
Who wants to explain to D\_Anconia how _average_ works? 🥷 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1682 "2022-11-29T05:39:51Z")
Not $30k, though. Even a single person couldn’t live on $30K in San Francisco. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1683 "2022-11-29T05:41:54Z")
The point is, paycheques are bouncing due to incompetence, and this is A Bad Thing. Just face facts and stop making excuses A major employer bouncing paycheques is on life support. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1684 "2022-11-29T05:45:01Z")
Like they can’t transfer funds from their interest-bearing account into their checking account with the click of a button. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1685 "2022-11-29T05:47:38Z")
After the fact? With time travel? I guess every employee should have pre-emptively known that Elon would probably screw them out of their pay. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1686 "2022-11-29T05:48:49Z")
You realize that Mr. Musk doesn’t cut payroll checks himself, right? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1687 "2022-11-29T05:48:58Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > I seriously doubt that _anyone_ at Twitter is making $30K. The average salary is $118K. Do you think the janitor is getting $118k? The cafeteria cooks? The guy who checks security badges at the door? The guy who sorts incoming mail? The HVAC guy? The lady who answers the phone when someone presses 6 to reach Accounts Payable? The runner who fetches Elon’s Caffeine-Free Diet Coke when he’s pretending to analyze screenshots of code at 1 AM? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1688 "2022-11-29T05:51:26Z")
I had been looking forward to this thread being reopened, and now it’s completely derailed. Who gives a flying fuck if some troll thinks everyone has 6 months cushion in their checking account? Quit wrestling with the pig. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1689 "2022-11-29T05:52:27Z")
You realize that Musk himself fucked up the entire payroll department, right? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1690 "2022-11-29T05:52:49Z")
No. But most of those jobs are likely outsourced to other companies, anyway. A food service provider, a janitorial company, a security firm, etc. Those employees are being paid on-time, aren’t they? Unless you have evidence otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1691 "2022-11-29T05:55:08Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Unless you have evidence otherwise. ![](https://media.tenor.com/s1w62ls6xlQAAAAC/princess-bride.gif) > **[Twitter is reportedly failing to pay some suppliers amidst cost-cutting measures](https://www.engadget.com/twitter-is-reportedly-failing-to-pay-some-bills-amidst-cost-cutting-measures-123507995.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAC7QPcw5YIChhzH5iOu17QTy0CTEVpiG9NlxJmyvqVE1R5D-3JwoH3-uTznZPq3s9XwgQ8nEf7Vk-rwejTplwrtHzJhy4kWyAj8NTGwexfcIGIBjTR_yxRO_LFiQQcrNULK2RBQq4hjtw8PayfIo2CQ41wOHYk91QPJEmuFywDRE)** > > Elon Musk is reportedly refusing to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in travel bills accumulated by Twitter employees before he took over the company. > **[Elon Musk Now Allegedly Stiffing Vendors, Not Paying Bills at Twitter](https://sfist.com/2022/11/22/elon-musk-now-stiffing-vendors-not-paying-bills-at-twitter/)** > > A new report finds Twitter’s vendors and suppliers are “owed millions of dollars in back payments” which Musk is suddenly trying to weasel out of paying. > **[Elon Musk Has Reportedly Failed To Pay Twitter Suppliers](https://hypebeast.com/2022/11/twitter-failed-to-pay-suppliers-cost-cutting-elon-musk-decisions-report)** > > Amidst its current restructuring and cost-cutting measures. [https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/topstories/twitter-owes-millions-of-dollars-to-suppliers-elon-musk-refuses-to-pay-even-after-firing-around-5000-employees/ar-AA14sPOt](https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/topstories/twitter-owes-millions-of-dollars-to-suppliers-elon-musk-refuses-to-pay-even-after-firing-around-5000-employees/ar-AA14sPOt) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1692 "2022-11-29T05:56:02Z")
Are the janitors still being paid by their employer? Y/N? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1693 "2022-11-29T05:57:11Z")
Ah, so it’s _OK_ that the richest man in the world is refusing to pay for services rendered, because the vendors he scammed can afford to eat the loss. I preferred the version of you who refused to acknowledge anything that happened on Twitter. > [@About that "end of democracy" talk](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/about-that-end-of-democracy-talk/956796/99): > > In my personal opinion, mature adults don’t “tweet”. It’s well beyond silly. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1694 "2022-11-29T06:02:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Ah, so it’s _OK_ that the richest man in the world is refusing to pay for services rendered, because the vendors he scammed can afford to eat the loss. Did I say that? No. People are making silly claims without evidence. Such as stating that there are Twitter employees who only make $30K a year. Find one. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1695 "2022-11-29T06:06:09Z")
The average salary for customer service and admin employees at Twitter is under $50k. > **[Twitter Salaries](https://www.comparably.com/companies/twitter/salaries)** > > The average salary for Twitter is $97k per year, which includes an average base salary of $87k and an average bonus of $10k. Twitter salary ranges from $47k to $390k. See salaries from 185 job titles at Twitter. Last updated 2 days ago. Some employees in Third World countries are paid as little as $15k. > **[Exclusive: Leaked salary data show huge pay disparities at Twitter](https://www.inverse.com/input/culture/twitter-salary-range-dashboard-leak-controversy)** > > The company pays some employees as much as 225 percent more than those in the same role, depending on where they're based. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1696 "2022-11-29T06:09:25Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Not $30k, though. Even a single person couldn’t live on $30K in San Francisco. Your right SF is frigging expensive. In order to keep your head above water you are going to need to earn substantially more than $30K. In fact someone earning $50K-$60K could easily be living hand to mouth. Say, for example, a median level twitter employee (median salaries are always well below average salaries), who just had their paycheck canceled. QED (thanks for the self own). ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1697 "2022-11-29T06:13:41Z")
$50K is 2/3 higher than the $30k that was asserted. Exaggeration much? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1698 "2022-11-29T06:15:19Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > $50K is 2/3 higher than the $30k that was asserted. And $15k is half as much, notwithstanding that you’ve once again chosen to ignore the meaning of the word “average”. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1699 "2022-11-29T06:16:56Z")
What is the average salary at Twitter? Cite please. Oh wait, it’s $118K. CITE: [Average Twitter Salary | PayScale](https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=Twitter/Salary) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442/1700 "2022-11-29T06:17:36Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What is the average salary at Twitter? What is the definition of the word “average”? Cite please. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=84) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-1/963442.md?page=86)