# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** elon-musk\ **Created:** [August 13, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634 "2024-08-13T00:48:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 162
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2026, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3242 "2026-03-27T05:03:58Z")
A Dutch court is fining Twitter €100,000 per day for as long as Grok allows users to create deepfaked nudes and CSAM of Dutch citizens, in or outside of the Netherlands. > **[Dutch Court Orders X, Grok to Stop AI-Generated Sexual Abuse Content](https://www.techpolicy.press/dutch-court-orders-x-grok-to-stop-aigenerated-sexual-abuse-content/)** > > Dutch court bans Grok's nudify tool and hits xAI with €100,000-a-day fines in Europe's first binding injunction against an AI image generator. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2026, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3243 "2026-03-27T05:40:34Z")
Does grok allow men to be stripped of their clothing? If so, I have some really great ideas for a naked Elon. Giving him a small penis is obvious, but I’d replace it altogether with a vagina maybe. He’s already got the moobs. But we can still call him a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2026, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3244 "2026-03-27T19:30:52Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > So what exactly does “most successful” mean to you? To be honest, I don’t have a solid idea, either. But it struck me that for most of the definitions I could use, the Soyuz was superior. More completed missions. Longer service record. High profile missions. Historical firsts. Even overall safety to date. The other definitions I’ve seen proposed in the thread aren’t ones that readily come to mind when I hear “successful”. Such as “cheaper” or “higher cadence”. I do think high efficiency is a good thing, but until it’s paired with great longevity, it’s not something I think of when ‘success’ comes up. I wouldn’t even think higher quality when I think ‘successful’. A lot of stores/restaurants/etc of higher quality are failing when lower quality chains are doing fine. When we talk about the most successful football player or most successful business or most successful President, most average people (and I am making some assumptions here about ‘most’) are probably not going to point first to efficiency numbers but have a good chance at pointing at longevity or wins or profits. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2026, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3245 "2026-03-27T20:10:16Z")
But that simply gives Soyuz (actually the rocket, not the manned capsule) a fifty-year head start. Of course it has more of a record. But I believe that as things stand today Falcon 9 is already a better rocket than even the fully mature Soyuz. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2026, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3246 "2026-03-27T22:50:54Z")
Ok, I’ll even buy that. But “best” that wasn’t the claim. “Most successful” was. As I noted, highest quality isn’t always correlated with most successful. Or else the McDonald’s or Wal-Marts of the world wouldn’t be as dominant in their respective industries. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3247 "2026-03-28T00:42:28Z")
I regret to inform you that Elon has grown a mustache and gotten a Kim Jong-Un haircut. [![](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:h6xouawngwws7ozzjpxufyf4/bafkreihaqejjear4xeolvy5reym76t5gftmfihbsmjf26fuxni7qfimpym) ](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:h6xouawngwws7ozzjpxufyf4/bafkreihaqejjear4xeolvy5reym76t5gftmfihbsmjf26fuxni7qfimpym) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3248 "2026-03-28T02:38:30Z")
A Stalin 'stache. Combine the greats. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3249 "2026-03-28T04:17:22Z")
Looks like he cut off all of his natural hair and left the plugs. > **[Elon Musk in his PayPal days in 2000](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ztyl0z/elon_musk_in_his_paypal_days_in_2000/)** > > 1895 points | 336 comments — u/FTR-Bald ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3250 "2026-03-28T04:43:55Z")
[![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HD4u6EaboAEOHRU?format=jpg&name=medium) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HD4u6EaboAEOHRU?format=jpg&name=medium) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3251 "2026-03-28T11:30:50Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > > [@LSLGuy](#): > > > > So what exactly does “most successful” mean to you? > > To be honest, I don’t have a solid idea, either. > > But it struck me that for most of the definitions I could use, the Soyuz was superior. More completed missions. Longer service record. High profile missions. Historical firsts. Even overall safety to date. Thank you for the clarification. For inherently unreliable machines like rockets have been to date, the only definition of “success” I was considering was “percentage of missions not damaged / destroyed / killed by machine failure”. You’re surely right that for wider definitions of “success” Soyuz has some claim to greater impact on human history. So far. It’s also worth pointing out that “Soyuz” the word can refer to the human-rated capsule alone, or to the whole stack from booster nozzles to escape tower. The non-failure rate and the history impact rate of the two sorts of “Soyuz” are probably different. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3252 "2026-03-28T17:38:16Z")
I see it as akin to somebody coming in and saying the B-2 is the most successful strategic bombing platform we’ve ever had when the B-52 is still sitting right there. If you want to say the B-2 is “better” for whatever definition you use, go for it. But it probably wouldn’t pass the bar for most conventional definitions of ‘success’. I get it, though. Some of it is the snubbing of any non-US space exploration (and there’s more than a little of that). And there’s more than a little Musk fanboying going on, too. Credit where it is due - he funded and appropriately staffed a company that has built argubly the best ground to LEO system humanity has achieved to date. But let’s not attach as yet unearned superlatives or suck Musk off for them. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3253 "2026-03-28T17:41:52Z")
At this point if Musk funded an effort that produced perpetual youth it would be denigrated for his sake. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3254 "2026-03-28T18:10:45Z")
It would mean the end of life on this planet for all complex organisms. Starvation, pollution, war in the name of the billionaires controlling the “advancement”. Perhaps this perpetual life would be transmitted via biting. I’d side with the ending in ‘Sinners’. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3255 "2026-03-28T19:07:43Z")
The very last of the 11 other non-Musk co-founders of xAI has officially left the company. > **[And then there were none: Musk's last xAI cofounder, Ross Nordeen, leaves](https://www.businessinsider.com/xai-cofounder-ross-nordeen-leaves-musk-preps-spacex-ipo-2026-3)** > > Elon Musk is shaking up xAI ahead of the SpaceX IPO. All 11 of his cofounders are gone, 8 of them since January. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3256 "2026-03-28T20:43:56Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > At this point if Musk funded an effort that produced perpetual youth it would be denigrated for his sake. Are you kidding? Entropy is the only thing we can rely on at this point. Take that away and there’s no hope for anything. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3257 "2026-03-28T22:11:22Z")
You should have picked a better example, like cold fusion, in your attempt to make Elon into a martyr and shame all of his detractors. But then, I don’t think anyone expected anything better. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3258 "2026-03-28T22:43:56Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > At this point if Musk funded an effort that produced perpetual youth it would be denigrated for his sake. At this point I’ve gone from “San Junipero is the only episode of Black Mirror with a happy ending” to “San Junipero is probably an anarcho-capitalist dystopia where the megacorp running the place will delete you if you fall behind on rent”. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3259 "2026-03-28T23:13:39Z")
See: the first couple seasons of Upload. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3260 "2026-03-28T23:20:00Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > At this point if Musk funded an effort that produced perpetual youth it would be denigrated for his sake. I think most of just assume that if Musk funded an effort that produced perpetual youth it would be on a subscription basis. “I’m sorry Mr. Doe, you’ve missed you XactAge payment for the third month. As your contract states, despite you having been a customer for [checks papers] 87 years, we will cancel your service. If your fortunes improve, please re-apply. After all, 147 is still quite young these days!” [followed by the Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade high-speed aging that night for Mr. Doe] ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2026, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/3261 "2026-03-28T23:22:05Z")
No, if I’d picked cold fusion I’m sure fault would have been found with that too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634.md?page=161) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634.md?page=163)