# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** elon-musk\ **Created:** [August 13, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634 "2024-08-13T00:48:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/421 "2024-09-29T21:34:04Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > When apartheid comes to America, it will be wearing a girdle, lifts and hair plugs. That is just TOO good. ---
**Author:** ![Mops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mops/32/16494_2.png) [@Mops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mops)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/422 "2024-09-29T21:52:46Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > > [@Atamasama](#): > > > > If Musk is overworking people they probably are actually sick, it’s called **extreme fatigue** and it’s a real medical issue. > > No kidding. Quote from the article: > > > In January, [Musk warned Tesla workers to prepare for a ramped-up workload](https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-warns-tesla-workers-challenging-production-mass-market-ev-2024-1?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com) as he previewed plans for a mass-market EV. > > > > “We really need the engineers to be living on the line,” the billionaire told investors on an earnings call. “We’ll be sleeping on the line, practically. Not practically, we will be.” > > > > A former worker at Tesla’s factory in Fremont, California, told The Verge that employees would [sleep on the floor after 12-hour shifts](https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-podcast-workers-model-3-production-hell-sewage-sleeping-floor-2023-8?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo.com).] If Elon Musk does this in his German operations, his ass is off to prison. That is not hyperbole. I do not work in a large company but in a midsize one (~ 140 employees), and the talk that HR gave us about adhering to working time law specifically said that if the owner let systematic violations happen a custodial sentence was possible - so please, please do not work longer than 10 hours in any day except in a true emergency (and missing shipping or commissioning deadlines is _not_ an emergency in the context of working time law). The state government of Brandenburg is trying to be helpful to Tesla, but of course they cannot interfere in work safety investigations, and neither can they nobble prosecutors - if a government official tried one or the other he’d very soon spend more time with his family. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/423 "2024-09-30T03:22:43Z")
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**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/424 "2024-09-30T05:04:40Z")
When are boobs new? Never mind, I don’t want to think about that anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/425 "2024-09-30T06:12:38Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > When are boobs new? I think it’s a reference to silicone implants? They might have a particular smell at first like when you buy a memory foam pillow and have to let it air out and inflate, I dunno. The company is sketchy as fuck. Where are they located? “Please contact our Customer service at email to get the return address.” > **[Frilvor](https://www.frilvor.com/pages/contact-us)** > > At Frilvor we strive to make our customers 100% satisfied with the product theyve purchased from us. If you are experiencing any shipping or products issue, or youre feeling frustrated, then please send us an email and our team will assist you right... They also sell a “silent basketball” that’s just made out of cheap-ass foam, like a knock-off Nerf ball. > **[Silent Basketball](https://www.frilvor.com/products/silent-basketball)** > > Theperfect basketballto work on your handles without making any noise at all. Perfect to use in houses and apartments. This ball dribbles great on carpet hardwood or any surface! Material:Our silent basketball is made ofhigh-quality PU Foam which is... One of the photos has a soccer player kicking it because I guess they don’t really understand basketball in whatever rogue nation this company is hiding in. [![](https://img.staticdj.com/48c5903483a2e28fcde59b1be0126282_720x.jpeg) ](https://img.staticdj.com/48c5903483a2e28fcde59b1be0126282_720x.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/426 "2024-09-30T06:23:06Z")
Twitter-X has a lot of ads for drop shippers, “A form of retail business in which the seller accepts customer orders without keeping stock on hand. Instead, in a form of supply chain management, the seller transfers the orders and their shipment details either to the manufacturer, a wholesaler, another retailer, or a fulfillment house, which then ships the goods directly to the customer.” - wiki Honestly, some of that is an improvement: I like ads for toys. Unfortunately, drop ship ads have been crowded out by political ones, just as the general discussion has gotten more feral. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Sudan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chad_sudan/32/4509_2.png) [@Chad\_Sudan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chad_Sudan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/427 "2024-09-30T07:34:29Z")
I just want to recognize the sheer inspiration of choosing “Character Limit” for the title of a book on Elon Musk. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/428 "2024-09-30T08:31:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The company is sketchy as fuck. Where are they located? “Please contact our Customer service at email to get the return address.” They’re certainly not an example of clarity; however, ISTM the return address they’re talking about isn’t the company address, but rather the address to which you should ship the returned item. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/429 "2024-09-30T09:35:35Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The company is sketchy as fuck. I read somewhere recently that there are dozens of these cheap digital storefronts advertising on Xitter, but that ultimately behind the scenes it’s really just a couple of giant manufacturers (mostly Chinese) operating multiple public portals and posting ads under those d/b/a names to conceal themselves from shoppers. If that’s true, then it’s unsurprising the contact details would be dodgy — they don’t want you knowing who they really are. (I went looking for that article, or any cite, but the recent news about Biden’s White House cracking down on Temu and Shein has swamped the search results. Ugh.) ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/430 "2024-09-30T12:24:40Z")
One of the funny (“funny”) things I see now is blue-check clout-chasers posting shit like “look at this incredible mountain bridge in China” or “the details in this Hans Holbein painting are incredible, here’s why!” or whatever, and the replies are filled with other blue-check clout-chasers posting their own horseshit content & riding their coattails. It’s one big circle-jerk of mutual clouting/impression-creating, and I suspect Twitter is paying for it under the current monetization format. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/431 "2024-09-30T13:33:48Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > They’re certainly not an example of clarity; however, ISTM the return address they’re talking about isn’t the company address, but rather the address to which you should ship the returned item. The company address isn’t anywhere on their site thoigh, I can’t see anything even hinting at where they are. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/432 "2024-09-30T14:46:09Z")
Apparently, you have no need to know. Hell, there may not be any “there” there, if they’re operating out of someone’s condo and getting their postal mail through a rented box ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/433 "2024-09-30T15:24:32Z")
> [@gnoitall](#): > > Hell, there may not be any “there” there, if they’re operating out of someone’s condo and getting their postal mail through a rented box I considered that too. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/434 "2024-10-01T22:13:44Z")
Call me paranoid, but at the moment this is my nightmare scenario for the next few years; - Trump is reelected - Trump makes good on his promise to make Elmo “government efficiency commissioner” and gives him broad power over the executive departments - To that end Trump appoints Elmo to run multiple Cabinet departments (let’s say Commerce, Energy, Transportation, and the Interior), RFK Jr. gets HHS, and several others are deliberately left unfilled - At Elmo’s behest Trump gets Congress to abolish the Department of Education and maybe several others - Once Elmo and his pals have a controlling interest in Cabinet they convince Vance to invoke the 25th amendment and remove Trump from office - Acting President Vance becomes the figurehead of a de facto Musk administration which proceeds to dismiss Congress and the courts and rule by fiat Farfetched, maybe, but Elmo has a talent for self-enrichment and taking over anything he’s associated with, and Trump is so susceptible to flattery that he’ll eagerly walk right into a baited trap if Elmo just showers him with enough praise. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/435 "2024-10-01T23:23:24Z")
> [@Mops](#): > > If Elon Musk does this in his German operations, his ass is off to prison. > > That is not hyperbole. Really? How are you getting him to Germany to serve a sentence? I hope you can; I’d love to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/436 "2024-10-02T05:39:22Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > How are you getting him to Germany to serve a sentence? The US has an extradition treaty with Germany. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/437 "2024-10-02T05:53:57Z")
Or, just for Elon, an Xtradition treaty! ---
**Author:** ![Mops](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mops/32/16494_2.png) [@Mops](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mops)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/438 "2024-10-02T07:26:46Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Leaper](#): > > > > How are you getting him to Germany to serve a sentence? > > The US has an extradition treaty with Germany. Unfortunately (in this case) extradition treaties usually have the provision that the offence has to be a crime in the extraditing country too. Which appears not to be the case in the US for making your employees work dangerously long hours. So prosecution in Germany would merely be an inconvenience. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/439 "2024-10-02T08:38:39Z")
This is true; no way Germany gets him out of the US for this. But depending on the severity of the offense (and how strenuously German authorities make their argument), Elon may need to avoid other EU countries. Of course, realistically, none of this will go anywhere near that severe an outcome. Elon will demand that the plant workers embrace “hardcore” hours like he mandated for Twitter drones, the German worker councils will say “LOL no,” and that’ll be the end of it. Elon can bitch and moan and gnash his teeth all he wants, but he can either toe the labor-management line or close his German plants and move outside the EU. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/440 "2024-10-02T17:09:08Z")
Considering his caving in Brazil, @Cervaise’s analysis of the likely outcomes seems both accurate and safe! Seriously though, I expect the latter of the two is more likely. If/when (huge emphasis on if) the EU actually starts putting teeth into their demands on Xitter’s moderation, I fully expect that Eloon is going to throw a massive temper tantrum and shut down Xitter for the EU, and pull out anything else he can. And I expect it’s going to be sooner than later, after all the reporting on Fidelity’s and similar rational evaluations of Xitter’s value in the post-Musk age. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634.md?page=23)