# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** elon-musk\ **Created:** [August 13, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634 "2024-08-13T00:48:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1279 "2025-01-09T19:51:02Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > It was a reply to the immediately preceding comment on which Discourse so helpfully omitted the reply icon, as it does. OK, in which case, I strongly disagree with you. @Ash_trav511 has been making specific, measured claims which he is willing to back up and in a fairly neutral tone and Musk Derangement Syndrome has everyone around him hyperbolically dismissing them with handwavey, suppositional statements of half remembered anecdotes that are laughable in their naivety. Scroll through the thread and you can see I’m by far not the biggest fan of Musk but I’m also a fan of accuracy and the level of debate against Ash is a travesty to the standards we should aspire to keep the board to, including your comment. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1280 "2025-01-09T20:05:00Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > @Ash_trav511 has been making specific, measured claims which he is willing to back up Eh…a lot of them are misleading or simply untrue. It’s not simply a case of “Musk Derangement Syndrome” or whatever you want to call it. For example: > [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > The recalls were fixed by an over the air software update unlike the Ford/Toyota recalls which needed the cars to be taken to the service centre. Well, no. They were not all software issues and even if they were, 6 (!) recalls in a single year for a single model is extreme. Back in April, there was the Cybertruck recall to replace the accelerator pedals that could get stuck - no software fix possible. The most recent Cybertruck recall involves faulty drive inverters that need to be replaced - no software fix possible. Both those require hardware fixes and require bringing a vehicle in for service. That’s on top of the known issues with shoddy workmanship, which, to be fair, has been something that’s occurred for each Tesla model in its first year. Musk’s insistence on the steel panels was a manufacturing and quality control nightmare on this particular model and helped push the sticker price way beyond original promises. But, hey, at least it has been selling well, right? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1281 "2025-01-09T20:49:50Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Why is it that some people who hate musk can’t accept that he’s ever done any good? Why does it have to be all or nothing? [![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwt-IqwDZLeUWld40MOhnvRHSazwjMLfkdgQ&s) ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwt-IqwDZLeUWld40MOhnvRHSazwjMLfkdgQ&s) ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1282 "2025-01-09T21:49:40Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Scroll through the thread and you can see I’m by far not the biggest fan of Musk but I’m also a fan of accuracy and the level of debate against Ash is a travesty to the standards we should aspire to keep the board to, including your comment What makes the Dope great is the community, and this is why I don’t like the Pit. Or rather, I don’t like the piling-on of members, especially new ones. Crapping down the neck of a public figure, fine. But you know, eventually between treating newbies like shit, the periodic bans (generally deserved, I admit) and people who just get fed up, eventually it’ll just be @Chronos here by himself. (no idea why I picked Chronos for that) ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1283 "2025-01-09T23:02:26Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Well, no. They were not all software issues and even if they were, 6 (!) recalls in a single year for a single model is extreme. Just another pov on this… > **[Tesla dominates 2024 with 99% of recalls resolved via OTA updates](https://www.shop4tesla.com/en/blogs/news/tesla-2024-ota-rueckrufe#:~:text=Recalls%202024%3A%20Tesla%20compared%20to,BMW%3A%2036%20recalls)** > > Tesla resolves 99% of recalls in 2024 via OTA updates. Efficient, customer-friendly and unique - this is how Tesla new standards! According to data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has Tesla recorded a total of 15 recalls in 2024 - a fraction compared to other car manufacturers: Fiat Chrysler (FCA): 72 recalls Ford: 62 Recalls BMW: 36 recalls General Motors (GM)33 recalls From the 5.096.386 Tesla-vehiclesthat were affected by recalls, an impressive 99,23 % (approx. 5.05 million vehicles) were rectified by OTA updates. Only 39,311 vehicles (0.77%) required physical repairs or the replacement of parts. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1284 "2025-01-09T23:06:00Z")
I feel OTA sw updates for fixing recalls…the vast majority of them…is a great thing. Wonder why legacy automakers Ford/GM et al can’t do this for the vast majority of recalls ? Oh well…perhaps there is no Musk there to drive people crazy ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1285 "2025-01-09T23:08:28Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > which he is willing to back up and in a fairly neutral tone Thank you Shalmanese. Clarifying for the record that I am a woman, not a man. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1286 "2025-01-09T23:13:58Z")
[https://www.barrons.com/articles/tesla-recalls-nhtsa-software-ea0b09f1](https://www.barrons.com/articles/tesla-recalls-nhtsa-software-ea0b09f1) " On Dec. 17, the electric-vehicle maker [recalled](https://www.nhtsa.gov/search-safety-issues#recall) 694,304 vehicles to correct a potential error with the tire-pressure monitoring system. An indicator light might not remain illuminated, “failing to warn the driver of low tire pressure,” says the notice from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. It is the latest in a series of big recalls by Tesla. Through late December, Tesla has had 15 recalls affecting some 5.1 million vehicles in 2024. What is interesting about the latest recall is that NHTSA changed the form of its notification to include the statement “software update repairs recall.” The new language differentiates between recalls to fix hardware and those meant to update the computer programs that are playing an increasing large role in how cars operate. NHTSA told _Barron’s_ the updated communication policy took effect in mid-December. The Tesla recall appears to be the first to be labeled as a software fix." ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1287 "2025-01-09T23:15:25Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Well, no. They were not all software issues and even if they were, 6 (!) recalls in a single year for a single model is extreme. You’re the one who decided to shift the topic from SpaceX to Tesla after you realized you had no good counters to his points on SpaceX and you’re the one uncharitably nitpicking him now when that clearly wasn’t his meaning. This style of argument is frankly tedious and sealiony when you refuse to engage with major points and instead just flit about with a panoply of random critiques that don’t build to a larger point. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1288 "2025-01-09T23:26:27Z")
Shalmanese, thank you again sir…I acknowledge there are failures/lapses/blunders/disasters once in a while…as there could be in any large organisation. For me atleast on the face of it, a ceo like Hensen Juang of Nvidia saying it on live video was the proof that Musk is indeed great at manufacturing. It’s out there in public record and anyone can view it on Youtube if X is too toxic for them. Acquistion of Twitter at 44B dollars is one dumb thing he did imo (as I mentioned it may have worked out for his political ends of which I am not a fan. In fact as mentioned earlier I, very intensely, dislike his politics). But I am dispassionate enough to see what is in my face and not be carried away by hyperbole. Once again I respectfully point out I am a woman…not a “he”. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1289 "2025-01-09T23:31:23Z")
I think I posted enough on this topic and will refrain now. Regards to all and best wishes. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1290 "2025-01-09T23:59:05Z")
Oh damm one more post to make it easy and then I stop. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/m76YIECJLNY/maxresdefault.jpg "Jensen Huang Acknowledges Elon Musk xAI Achievements in a Short Period of Time") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m76YIECJLNY) Jensen Huang, ceo of Nvidia on X.AI building the super cluster or super computer or whatever that thing is at “superhuman speed” as he puts it…and the role of Elon in it. ---
**Author:** ![FluffyBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@FluffyBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FluffyBob)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1291 "2025-01-10T00:30:47Z")
Im not sure what the hell’s up with that poster, bot or whatever it is but this was gold. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1292 "2025-01-10T02:16:10Z")
Apartheid Elmo is a pathetic, drug-addled manboy. We should be exporting white trash, not importing it. Ah, that feels better. Before I knew anything about him, I thought the first Tesla was pretty cool and that Musk must be an interesting dude. He’s tarnished his own ‘achievements’ by being a shitty human. I hope he ends his days wandering Mars in failing spacesuit. Next week would be cool. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1293 "2025-01-10T04:42:15Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > You’re the one who decided to shift the topic from SpaceX to Tesla after you realized you had no good counters to his points on SpaceX and you’re the one uncharitably nitpicking him now when that clearly wasn’t his meaning. First, no, I didn’t realize I did that. If that is how it came across, mea culpa. And it really isn’t a nitpick. Tesla’s really aren’t that reliable. Beyond recalls, they have industry low rates of reliability. This isn’t a secret or anything. There’s no magic manufacturing sauce. It’s pretty well known the design philosophy is borrowed from Silicon Valley and boils down to “release it in beta, let it break, and then let’s try to fix it after”. We’ve been seeing that more and more frequently in Twitter for a couple years now - last minute changes that break something and having to be patched on the fly. I can go back to SpaceX if you want, but, to be frankly honest, I had gotten tired of repeating the same points again ad nauseum. It wasn’t a deliberate flounce. More like disgust at having to deal with this bullshit again and onto more interesting topics. This is a Pit thread, not FQ, after all. But that’s besides the actual point, which I suppose I’ve meandered about because it’s really friggin’ boring. The particular poster that draws that ire has shit in several threads now (I mean, posting 4 or 5 separately replies in a row? That’s not indicative of anything?) and is a pathetic poster to white knight for. You should be ashamed of that. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1294 "2025-01-10T11:56:05Z")
This also being in the pit, see here: `https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trolls-r-us-resurrections/950518/13030?u=lslguy` Note that I inadvertently misgendered them there. There’s no need to propagate that mistake further. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1295 "2025-01-10T12:09:56Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > Jensen Huang, ceo of Nvidia on X.AI building the super cluster or super computer or whatever that thing is at “superhuman speed” as he puts it…and the role of Elon in it. Conversely, there is still this from software engineer Rod Hilton: > [@](#): > > He talked about electric cars. I don’t know anything about cars, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius. > > Then he talked about rockets. I don’t know anything about rockets, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius. > > Now he talks about software. I happen to know a lot about software & Elon Musk is saying the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard anyone say, so when people say he’s a genius I figure I should stay the hell away from his cars and rockets. But, you know, you do you. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1296 "2025-01-10T14:26:31Z")
I don’t recall claiming in any post Musk is a great coder or sw expert. As far as I can tell he was a self taught coder with probably a basic/working knowledge of how coding and the software works. So what ? Steve Jobs was not a technical guy at all in Apple (it was Wozniak who was the tech brains). Why is Jobs then widely credited for the success of Apple ? Are Bill Gates or Zuckerberg or Satya Nadella expert coders or sw engineers (present day standards) ? I know this is off tangent but so was the post above about Musk sw skills or the lack of it. But you know, you do you ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1297 "2025-01-10T15:15:04Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Tesla’s really aren’t that reliable. Beyond recalls, they have industry low rates of reliability. My son is a ‘lemon-law’ lawyer in California. Tesla’s are a major producer for him (I want to say top 3). ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1298 "2025-01-10T16:36:29Z")
This is a bit apples to oranges, since Tesla only produces 6 models of cars, as compared to Ford which produces [30 some](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_vehicles) models. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634.md?page=65)