# Now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter - now the Pit edition (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** elon-musk\ **Created:** [August 13, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634 "2024-08-13T00:48:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1299 "2025-01-10T17:40:25Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > I don’t recall claiming in any post Musk is a great coder or sw expert. As far as I can tell he was a self taught coder with probably a basic/working knowledge of how coding and the software works. And yet he is often portrayed as a software genius by many, including by himself, despite all evidence to the contrary. Why are you handwaving away all the evidence of Musk’s actual personal failings? And which of his companies is referenced in the title of this thread? > [@](#): > > So what ? > Steve Jobs was not a technical guy at all in Apple (it was Wozniak who was the tech brains). Why is Jobs then widely credited for the success of Apple ? Did Jobs make endless public pronouncements about software that were demonstrably, laughably wrong, as Musk has done? Did he, despite not being a “technical guy”, nonetheless tell Wozniak and the other actual technical guys how to code, as Musk has done? > [@](#): > > Are Bill Gates or Zuckerberg or Satya Nadella expert coders or sw engineers (present day standards) ? Did Elon Musk start Twitter from scratch (more or less) as Bill Gates did? Or did he take an already-built company and make it demonstrably worse through his own incompetence? And why did you feel the need to specify “present day standards”? Here are some more comments about Musk from “technical guys”: > [@](#): > > The fact that he has such a boner for “_hardcore_ coding” is all the proof I need that he has no idea what the fuck he is talking about. Developers, in my 20 years of experience, do not come up with great solutions to complex problems after 18 hours of slaving away while propped up by shitty coffee laboring under the awesome headache inducing light that is modern office lighting. > > Being well rested, _playing_ with ideas, experimenting, having the ability to take risks, fail and try again without fear of being terminated, liking what you do - those are all things that lead to far better outcomes than long hours you only deal with because you believe in a higher cause (Tesla, SpaceX) or because you are H1B visa holders who have yet to find another employer (Twitter). > > Additionally, the fact that he oracles on about how Twitter’s stack needs to be completely re-written is another good indicator that he has no idea how anything there works. If he did it would be easy for him to point to their visualization, timeline, storage or something similarly specific as the #1 problem that needs to be solved. Not being able to rank individual elements in terms of their likely impact to the overall problem implies he understands neither the elements or the problem. > [@](#): > > The creator of Dogecoin sent him a Python script that he used, and Elon couldn’t figure out how to run it. I can understand that if Elon coded, he did it before Python really took off and running his companies would have arguably taken him out of day to day programming for all of these years. However, anyone who had skills to program in the lower level tools that were all that was available in the early 90’s should be capable of doing a Google search and figuring out how to run a Python script in less than five minutes, or at least having the self awareness to quietly reach out to one of his senior engineers for help. [link](https://www.businessinsider.com/dogecoin-creator-says-elon-musk-grifter-who-couldnt-run-code-2022-5) Here’s that link, by the way: > **[Dogecoin cocreator calls Elon Musk a 'grifter' who had trouble running basic...](https://www.businessinsider.com/dogecoin-creator-says-elon-musk-grifter-who-couldnt-run-code-2022-5)** > > Musk "sells a vision in hopes that he can one day deliver what he's promising, but he doesn't know that," said Jackson Palmer. And a quote from it: > [@](#): > > “After I gave him the script, I wasn’t a fan of him. He’s a grifter, he sells a vision in hopes that he can one day deliver what he’s promising, but he doesn’t know that,” Palmer added, per the outlet. “He’s just really good at pretending he knows. That’s very evident with the Tesla full-self-driving promise.” So…yeah. > [@](#): > > I know this is off tangent but so was the post above about Musk sw skills or the lack of it. I apologize for debunking your ongoing hagiography. Please proceed. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1300 "2025-01-10T17:51:41Z")
Fun fact totally unrelated to this thread: the opposite of Imposter Syndrome is the Dunning-Kruger Effect. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1301 "2025-01-10T18:06:07Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Did Elon Musk start Twitter from scratch (more or less) as Bill Gates did? Or did he take an already-built company and make it demonstrably worse through his own incompetence? X now has long form tweets, video and long Form video, community notes, Grok AI integration and a few other things that erstwhile Twitter never did in all of its existence. Yes technologically X is now way better than Twitter ever was. And I did say economically it was a foolish decision. After he fired 80 % of the people, people were speculating of its impending demise or come crashing down. “No way a company can function with 80% less employees” was the MS media gospel. He did prove them totally wrong. Either Twitter was bloated with “paper pushers” masquerading as employees or Musk knows better. And hey he did start SpaceX from scratch and look where it is. The US of A is totally dependent on his company for putting military satellites into orbit and sending its astronauts to space and using his Starlink in Ukraine. And yes goverment gave more funding to Blue Origin than SpaceX…Boeing too got many “cost+” contracts and where are they now ? Oh yes I agree Musk is indeed a doddering imbecile. I apologize for debunking your ongoing hagiography. Please proceed. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1302 "2025-01-10T18:11:52Z")
Do you actually know what the word ‘hagiography’ means? Also, I note you’ve ignored my various previous questions. Not all of them were rhetorical, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1303 "2025-01-10T18:15:22Z")
You did ignore and still ignore my SpaceX comments and meandered into sw and coding. I think i vaguely know hagiography as referring to a person as saintly or as god like. I hope you understand sarcasm as well. Dogecoin “co founder” on Musk > **[Dogecoin founder Billy Markus defends Elon Musk, criticizes the media](https://www.binance.com/en-IN/square/post/15338242107458)** > > Dogecoin co-founder Billy Markus expressed his views on Elon Musk, defending the Tesla CEO against what he perceives as a manipulated media narrative. Using the pseudonym ‘Shibetoshi Nakamoto,’ Markus ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1304 "2025-01-10T18:25:06Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > X now has long form tweets, video and long Form video, community notes, Grok AI integration and a few other things I’m really fond of X’s Nazis and pedophiles myself! /s ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1305 "2025-01-10T18:29:36Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > I’m really fond of X’s Nazis and pedophiles myself! Fun fact…Nazism is formally named “National Socialism” 🙂 Source : Wikipedia ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1306 "2025-01-10T18:30:17Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > You did ignore and still ignore my SpaceX comments and meandered into sw and coding. I’m talking about Musk and Twitter in a thread about Musk and Twitter. No “meandering” here. > [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > I hope you understand sarcasm as well. I do. Perhaps one day you will too. > [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > X now has long form tweets, video and long Form video, community notes, Grok AI integration and a few other things that erstwhile Twitter never did in all of its existence. Yes technologically X is now way better than Twitter ever was. It really isn’t, as its many technical failures have demonstrated. And how’s that block function working for you? And that’s ignoring the fact that Musk deliberately took one of the leading social media platforms (and amateur news reporting sites) in the world and turned it into a cesspool of Nazi and antisemitic propaganda, horrific transphobia, insane conspiracy theories and child pornography. At least three of those topics are things Elon frequently promulgates himself there. So perhaps you were closer than you think with regards to Musk being a doddering imbecile. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1307 "2025-01-10T18:31:00Z")
> [@Ash\_trav511](#): > > Fun fact…Nazism is formally named “National Socialism” 🙂 > Source : Wikipedia You seem to be meandering. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1308 "2025-01-10T18:32:34Z")
It’s so weird how people who profess to hate Musk just can’t help but type dozens of posts defending him. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1309 "2025-01-10T18:33:13Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m talking about Musk and Twitter in a thread about Musk and Twitter. No “meandering” here Oh im sorry. I’m learning just now that Dogecoin and coding are integral parts of Twitter discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1310 "2025-01-10T18:33:48Z")
Just a reminder that Ash is a troll (probably a trock, though of whom I don’t know). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1311 "2025-01-10T18:34:28Z")
If there are any other areas of ignorance you’d like us to clear up, please let us know. I’m sure you could keep us all quite busy doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1312 "2025-01-10T18:34:54Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > It’s so weird how people who profess to hate Musk just can’t help but type dozens of posts defending him. Opposing him politically need not shut the brain off to real world “truths” in other areas. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1313 "2025-01-10T18:35:34Z")
Ah, “truths”. Interesting choice of words. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1314 "2025-01-10T18:35:35Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Just a reminder that Ash is a troll (probably a trock, though of whom I don’t know). Thank you for the certificate. I’m honored. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1315 "2025-01-10T18:35:35Z")
Quotes around “truths” duly noted. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1316 "2025-01-10T18:36:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m sure you could keep us all quite busy doing so. Thank you. I will try my best:) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1317 "2025-01-10T18:36:58Z")
That little? ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_trav511](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@Ash\_trav511](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ash_trav511)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-elon-musk-has-bought-twitter-now-the-pit-edition-part-2/1005634/1318 "2025-01-10T18:38:08Z")
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