# Now that Marion Z. Bradley's child raping has come out, does it change your desire to reread her? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 30, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973 "2014-06-30T00:25:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/221 "2014-07-02T20:20:07Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > It all depends – do you have a paper towel tube? Yeah. That _is_ exactly where this has come to at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/222 "2014-07-02T20:24:46Z")
Broomstick: Still arguing with those voices in your head, are you? For the benefit of the studio audience, in this thread you wrote > [@You](#): > > Presumably, you would also be able to provide factual evidence in case anyone asks for it as well. This was well after you became aware of Moire and Mark’s statements. I, being surprised that you didn’t consider Moire/Mark’s statements (along with Bradley’s multiple confessions about happily being an accessory to her husband’s crimes) wrote: > [@Me](#): > > Yes–let’s time travel back in time and take photographs of MZB raping her daughter…since overwhelming circumstantial evidence, a long, ugly history of related (and confessed to) criminals and testimony from the victim corroborated by her brother just aren’t enough for you. and now you write this gibberish about how you didn’t know about this a year ago as if that’s somehow relevant > [@Broomstick](#): > > Let’s magically time travel back to last year and information me _then_ about a statement by Moire Greylord made public _only this month_ why don’t we? Fire up your TARDIS and let’s go. > > For whatever reason Moire didn’t speak up until very recently. So how was I supposed to know about it in the past? To anyone reading this thread without devolving into hysteria it should be equally obvious that I wasn’t away of Mark Greylord’s post until today, a post which, by they way, was only posted _this month_. > > In other words you are expecting me to have had precognitive knowledge of internet posts dating from June 2014. I mean–are your voices telling you that I’m saying you should have known last year? Because really? I’m not. I’m saying that your post from **a few hours ago** about not considering all the testimony and circumstantial evidence _along with the detailed confession of Braldly_ is more than proof enough for those of us who aren’t arguing with words that aren’t there. How you got from your post from a few hours back to me expecting you to know a year ago is, indeed, a mystery for the ages. > [@](#): > > Testimony under oath IS evidence, how could it not be? > > Question: was MZB ever _convicted_ of these crimes? > \< snip \> > > What’s the difference? If you say someone was _convicted_ it’s a nice, short way to say the evidence held up well enough to pass a jury or judge, it’s not just hearsay. If the person was never taken to court I want enough details so that I can go and confirm for myself that what is claimed is actually true. You…do get that there’s a difference between third-party testimony under oath and a first-person confession under oath, right? Because if you don’t believe MZB’s confession under oath that she knew about her husband’s rape activities, that she procured little kids for him and that she lied (both by omission and commission) to the parents about what happened, you’re on a whole 'nother plane from everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/223 "2014-07-02T20:28:58Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > IS, I labeled it “iffy” because I hadn’t (and haven’t) seen those reports. _blink blink_ You said > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > What I got from the wikipedia page and his statement on tumblr was that he’d manipulated women into sex. That’s kind of iffy, and then some bullshit about manipulation not being coercion which is a rather stomach churning statement on its own. I took from that that you feel that manipulating women into sex is iffy behavior, but not outright wrong behavior. And I find that troubling. If that’s not what you mean, write better. I’m also not interested in spending a lot of time going over Alex Day with you because as it happens this thread is about Marion Zimmer Bradley and you and Broomstick seem to be looking for any avenues of changing the subject. As it stands, I consider what Alex Day admitted to doing abusive and immoral. You are more than free to look it up for yourself, but I have nothing to prove to you. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/224 "2014-07-02T20:44:07Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > _blink blink_ > > You said > > and then some bullshit about manipulation not being coercion which is a rather stomach churning statement on its own. Oh, bullshit. Manipulation and coercion are not the same thing. A man who gets a woman into bed by,for example, studying her beahvior, noting that she goes all weak in the knees for war heroes, and then pretending to be same, is manipulating her but not coercing her. A man who gets a woman to have sex by threatening physical force, or threatening to fire her or evict her from her apartment, or to harm someone she loves, is coercing her but not manipulating her. These are not the same thing. And I \*\*haven’t \*\*seen the reports. I’ve seen the wikipedia page on Alex Day, and a little bit on tumblr. I’ve seen nothing that says what Alex Day did beyond using the word “manipulate.” If you want to assert that Day did something coercive, then you have to specify what you mean. Right back at you. > [@](#): > > I’m also not interested in spending a lot of time going over Alex Day with you because as it happens this thread is about Marion Zimmer Bradley and you and Broomstick seem to be looking for any avenues of changing the subject. As it stands, I consider what Alex Day admitted to doing abusive and immoral. You are more than free to look it up for yourself, but I have nothing to prove to you. I’ll grant that this is off topic, and as I’d never heard of Day before Monday I have no real interest in what he did or didn’t do. So I’ll drop the subject and return to MZB. To (re) answer Fenris’ question from the OP, and some other matters brought up in the thread: The revelations about MZB’s alleged rape of her daughter do not affect my desire to re-read her work, partly because there’s no way to find out the truth of the matter (she’s been dead for over a decade and cannot answer the charges), but mostly because I care little about the private lives of authors one way or the other. I care about the quality of their work, period. I enjoy MZB’s novels and short stories. In a perfect world I would know nothing about her personal life. In an imperfect world I compartmentalize. She might have been a pluperfect bitch and utter asshole; that doesn’t mean her stories weren’t enjoyable to me. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/225 "2014-07-02T20:46:14Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > and I took from that that you feel that manipulating women into sex is iffy :rolleyes: This is embarrassing even for you. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/226 "2014-07-02T20:47:46Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > :rolleyes: > > This is embarrassing even for you. No, it was an error in editing the post. Happens all the time, to me and others; it’s the price of being human and of doing other things while on the Dope. Thanks for pointing it out so I could correct it. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/227 "2014-07-02T21:03:22Z")
> [@SpazCat](#): > > MZB’s not “getting away” with anything. She’s dead. Has been for a while now. Ah! I only now see the problem. I was asking for the name of someone who is getting away with it, to serve as support for **Broomstick** ’s claim that MZB is being “singled out.” i.e., I didn’t mean that MZB is getting away with anything; I want evidence that others are being given a pass. That’s what “singled out” means. As if Asimov and Heinlein and Bradbury all did the same thing (of course they didn’t) but nobody has ever flamed them in a thread here. So…I asked (and phrased it badly) if there is anyone that could be named who is just as bad, but not being condemned, to make the “singled out” charge meaningful. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/228 "2014-07-02T21:05:56Z")
> [@Emiliana to Broomstick](#): > > Okay, so the degree of culpability of the rapist is dependent upon the normality of the sexual attraction? It’s not quite so bad to rape an attractive 25 year old wearing a low cut shirt because–hubba hubba–but no one’s into old woman so that’s so much worse? > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > **Broomstick** is obviously NOT arguing what you write in your first paragraph. It requires a perverse and deliberately selective misreading of her post to think or claim otherwise. I disagree. Broomstick is clearly arguing that age doesn’t matter, only how old a person looks. Raping a 3 year old is worse than raping a 10 year old because (direct quote) > [@Broomstick](#): > > 10 is an age where a victim could be either pre or post-pubescence. > > I don’t think raping a 10 year old is any way acceptable, but it is marginally less horrific than, say, raping a three year old. In other words, if the victim looks older, it’s less bad than if the victim looks younger. So…yeah, pretty much exactly what Emiliana’s saying, IMO ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/229 "2014-07-02T21:07:40Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I would oppose taking back the award, I’d advocate that in every mention of the award MZB should be referred to as Marion Zimmer Bradley the child rapist. She DID get the award, it’s a matter of historical fact, just point out her shame along with her fame. Certainly, if and when I see MZB mentioned on message boards, I will not hesitate that she was a child rapist if no one has bothered to do prior to me. And this is pretty much the same approach used for O.J. Simpson and Oscar Pistorius. Nobody is talking about taking away their sports awards; we just remember the awards in a fuller context of these people’s lives. The Naked Gun movies are still damn funny. But…they’re just a little harder to watch now. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/230 "2014-07-02T21:14:13Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Does she still have a positive legacy as an author and a person? Judging from the internet pile-on that’s happened, no. > [@](#): > > Is she still the holder of a World Fantasy Award? Yes, but I’m sure that will be revoked. Give 'em time. > [@](#): > > Do all profits from her sales still go to her co-conspirator lover, not her victims? Dude, it’s been like a week since her daughter came forward. Expecting instant results will only give you crappy mashed potatoes. Again, give 'em time. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/231 "2014-07-02T21:16:58Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > . . . she’s said throughout that raping a three year old is worse than raping a ten year old . . . Well, um… Isn’t it? Some crimes really are worse than others. Both are absolutely intolerable, and there shouldn’t be much difference in criminal sentencing. But they aren’t exactly the same, either. It isn’t so much that that opinion is wrong. It’s just that the opinion is utterly irrelevant. The Unabomber isn’t as bad as Tim McVeigh. But no one is going to be so insane as to say that the Unabomber is “okay” because of this. Both are still absolutely beyond any moral acceptability. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/232 "2014-07-02T21:20:52Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > … > > For whatever reason Moire didn’t speak up until very recently. So how was I supposed to know about it in the past? To anyone reading this thread without devolving into hysteria it should be equally obvious that I wasn’t away of Mark Greylord’s post until today, a post which, by they way, was only posted _this month_ > … Her name is Moira Greyland (you could at least go to the effort of getting that right), and she’s told us why she didn’t speak up until recently (from the [discussion thread](http://deirdre.net/marion-zimmer-bradley-its-worse-than-i-knew/)about the initial post): > [@](#): > > I gave the truth about my mother in THREE WORDS ONLY in my dedication. “To my mother, who encouraged me to follow my dreams, NO MATTER WHAT.” There are years of agony in that “what.” I have gone on with my life as though what happened DID NOT have to dominate my existence. I have not spoken of this in public because I wanted my life to be about my children and my art, and not her. And yet, I WILL speak now, if need be. –Moira Greyland ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/233 "2014-07-02T21:26:42Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Well, um… Isn’t it? Some crimes really are worse than others. Both are absolutely intolerable, and there shouldn’t be much difference in criminal sentencing. But they aren’t exactly the same, either. > > It isn’t so much that that opinion is wrong. It’s just that the opinion is utterly irrelevant. The Unabomber isn’t as bad as Tim McVeigh. But no one is going to be so insane as to say that the Unabomber is “okay” because of this. Both are still absolutely beyond any moral acceptability. I agree that it’s utterly irrelevant as to which is worse. There was simply no reason whatsoever to bring up the issue in this thread as though it could in any way be relevant. Why ponder whether or not the raped ten year old was mature for his age as if that somehow, in some universe, mattered? ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/234 "2014-07-02T22:27:43Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > From the original 1963 “The Great Breen Boondoggle” letter: (Warning: gross) > > > [@1963 original document](#): > > > > …but the spectacle was not thought to be aesthetically pleasing… “aesthetically pleasing”?! _brain asplodes_ Before this thread she was just “that author whose books I’ve never liked” but it’s rapidly turning into “how the hell did she keep getting published”. Gah that’s icky. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/235 "2014-07-02T23:43:06Z")
> [@Achren](#): > > Before this thread she was just “that author whose books I’ve never liked” but it’s rapidly turning into “how the hell did she keep getting published”. Gah that’s icky. Different times. The first time I ever heard of any of this a decade or more ago, my informant was someone who like one of the earlier posters used to occasionally hang out at Greyhaven ( the semi-communal home of Bradley, Bradley relatives and various associates and hangers-on ) in earlier years. She had stopped doing so some time earlier, but not because of any of the Breen stuff. She had always been of the understanding that he was kind of a mildly repugnant but doddering old harmless guy, who lusted wistfully but chastely. I just recently saw MZB’s editor/former editor make a similar comment about what she had understood prior to his final conviction. This makes me think this was the standard party line and in the days before the internet, it would have been a lot easier to pass that story. Unless you were part of the tiny fanbase of cognoscenti who had been deeply immersed in the fanzine & con community when some of this shit went down, it was pretty unlikely you would have heard of all of this, let alone have access to stuff like court transcripts. If she had lived this long I’m sure she’d be reaping the whirlwind right now, but pre-internet ( or very early internet ) the real extent of Breen’s crimes and MZB’s culpability ( passive or not ) was just the sort of “dirty laundry” that was easy to hide away. Let alone that MZB’s own apparent personal abuse of her children have only come to light at all this month. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/236 "2014-07-03T00:23:04Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s called being a Devil’s Advocate. I also don’t like it when people start telling other people what to do or think. I don’t like it when someone takes rumor as gospel truth. If you’re going to say someone has committed a crime you should be able to back it up. There’s devil’s advocacy and then there’s utterly, disgusting lunacy. Jesus Christ. > [@](#): > > There are 10 year old kids who look older and more physically mature than they actually are. Again, it is in no way acceptable to rape 10 year olds, but if that 10 year old is on the tall side and is developing secondary sexual characteristics of an adult and someone finds them sexually attractive it strikes me as far less perverted than someone who is sexually attracted to infants or toddlers, who look quite different. It’s still wrong, and rape is never acceptable, but to my mind it’s a different level of perversion. Sort of like the difference between first and second degree murders - they’re both murder and both wrong, but one strikes me as more evil than the other. Please, just stop with this. Fucking hell, I haven’t gone through anything specifically like that, and yet you’re giving me PSTD on those kids’ behalf. Again, Jesus Christ. > [@](#): > > YMMV, of course. Dear God, yes it fucking does. I feel like I need a bath every time I read one of your new posts. > [@Emiliana](#): > > All right then! Carry on with your contemplation of the degrees of wrongness involved in the rape of little kids. But she want be swayed! Not by our outrage, not by the facts, nothing matters but her pleasure in these books. > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Gosh, I never knew child molestation was a sliding scale, here I thought it was binary: Too young (Y/N) Well, that’s a good thing to know, isn’t it? Because otherwise, we’d be all harsh on child rape for no good reason, amirite? > [@Broomstick](#): > > Your disapproval of my opinion will not make me change it. > > Now, if you want to discuss factual errors I may or may not have made, or provide new information, that might change my mind but frankly I don’t give a damn about your disapproval of my opinions. > > I fully support your right to disagree with me, of course. And I doubt she gives a damn that you don’t give a damn about her disapproval, so the circle of life continues. Also, why would anyone at this point “want to discuss factual errors I may or may not have made, or provide new information” to you when you’ve ignored all of that already? People have been quoting back to you your very own words and it’s still not making a dent. I can’t say “Jesus Christ” enough. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I can’t wrap my head around the parents of the 3 year old. They, what, just stood by and watched him rubbing a pencil around her privates and being “displeased” thought to themselves, “Well I was planning on getting him some good cigars for Christmas but now I think I’ll just get him a bottle of cheap wine.”? After reading this thread, I get the feeling that they wouldn’t be the only people to behave that way. I’ve very seldom ever expressed disappointment in someone here on the Dope, if at all, but this discussion has given me an exception. Not that anyone cares, but I’m repulsed and I’ve lost respect. How fucking gross. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/237 "2014-07-03T00:54:39Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Well, that’s a good thing to know, isn’t it? Because otherwise, we’d be all harsh on child rape for no good reason, amirite? Hey now, it’s an _alleged_ rate. Totes unfounded accusations. That daughter probably had some sort of ax to grind. Circumstantial evidence, quoted testimony, corroborating evidence from the brother? They mean nothing! Nothing! So you mind your phraseology… After all, it’s utterly likely that a woman would lie to smear her long dead mother Who there’s no “proof” against except her own sworn testimony (and we know that doesn’t count )… Because… Money? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/238 "2014-07-03T01:37:17Z")
Moved to The BBQ Pit from Cafe Society. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/239 "2014-07-03T03:16:20Z")
I would still rather hear “Rock N’ Roll Part II” played at the ballpark instead of “Sweet Caroline”. ---
**Author:** ![scratch\_llll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@scratch\_llll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scratch_llll)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/240 "2014-07-03T05:19:28Z")
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