# Now that Marion Z. Bradley's child raping has come out, does it change your desire to reread her? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 30, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973 "2014-06-30T00:25:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/241 "2014-07-03T06:35:16Z")
> [@SpazCat](#): > > Judging from the internet pile-on that’s happened, no. > Yes, but I’m sure that will be revoked. Give 'em time. > Dude, it’s been like a week since her daughter came forward. Expecting instant results will only give you crappy mashed potatoes. Again, give 'em time. My point is that she had all three _despite_ her admissions about Breen’s activities _and her part in it_ (including some admissions of abusing her daughter, even then). So I’m not actually holding my breath about any of it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/242 "2014-07-03T06:38:36Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Well, um… Isn’t it? Only in as much as there’s more risk of physical damage in the former case > [@](#): > > Some crimes really are worse than others. Child rape is child rape. Arguably, the 10yo is worse, even, because the 10yo would have generally have more awareness of sexuality so would personally feel more violated, IMO, thereby increasing the trauma. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/243 "2014-07-03T06:51:48Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > My point is that she had all three _despite_ her admissions about Breen’s activities _and her part in it_ (including some admissions of abusing her daughter, even then). So I’m not actually holding my breath about any of it. Have there been any petitions or public calls for it? I’m asking sincerely, not being sarcastic. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/244 "2014-07-03T07:06:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Have there been any petitions or public calls for it? I’m asking sincerely, not being sarcastic. Not that I know of. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/245 "2014-07-03T09:02:07Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Not that I know of. Perhaps there should be, then… Or at least a request that the records that mention her awards also mention her crimes. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/246 "2014-07-03T10:20:55Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > Perhaps there should be, then… Or at least a request that the records that mention her awards also mention her crimes. The award is given out by the World Fantasy Convention. You can mail them at the address given at [http://www.worldfantasy.org/board.html](http://www.worldfantasy.org/board.html) - probably want to address it to the Awards Administration, I know I did. Interesting sideline; the WFA physical award is in the form of a bust of notorious racist H.P. Lovecraft. China Miéville’s solution for living with himself after he won it for Best Novel: > [@](#): > > And the award itself, the statuette of the man himself? I put it out of sight, in my study, where only I can see it, and I have turned it to face the wall. So I am punishing the little fucker like the malevolent clown he was, I can look at it and remember the honour, and above all I am writing behind Lovecraft’s back ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/247 "2014-07-03T10:42:11Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > the 10yo would have generally have more awareness of sexuality so would personally feel more violated, IMO, thereby increasing the trauma. You know what, we’ve already got one Todd Aiken wannabee who won’t shut up about raperaperape and how some kinds of child rape maybe aren’t all that bad. Don’t be another. Learn the lesson the dipshit Republicans haven’t: if you’re rating rapes, time to shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/248 "2014-07-03T11:10:41Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > You know what, we’ve already got one Todd Aiken wannabee who won’t shut up about raperaperape and how some kinds of child rape maybe aren’t all that bad. > > Don’t be another. > > Learn the lesson the dipshit Republicans haven’t: if you’re rating rapes, time to shut the fuck up. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/249 "2014-07-03T11:29:58Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > You know what, we’ve already got one Todd Aiken wannabee who won’t shut up about raperaperape and how some kinds of child rape maybe aren’t all that bad… I think I get what you’re trying to say here, behind the spittle. Fair point. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/250 "2014-07-03T11:31:45Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > WTF? I think he’s saying it’s a bit gross to do any calculus of relative evil, when it comes to baby rape. Which is a perfectly valid stance, and I think I can do that. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/251 "2014-07-03T11:36:22Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I can’t wrap my head around the parents of the 3 year old. They, what, just stood by and watched him rubbing a pencil around her privates and being “displeased” thought to themselves, “Well I was planning on getting him some good cigars for Christmas but now I think I’ll just get him a bottle of cheap wine.”? Word. I just read over that document and came away amazed at the fucked-upedness of that whole community. I was a toddler during the same time period as when that document was written and I cannot imagine my parents or their social circle tolerating somebody like Breen. The only debate would have been whether to stomp the ever loving shit out of him before turning him over to the police (who in that time and place would almost certainly have given him a beating themselves). For my own part, Breen was somebody I would cheerfully throw down a flight of steps each and every time he ever came near my kid. MZB too. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/252 "2014-07-03T12:00:55Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I think he’s saying it’s a bit gross to do any calculus of relative evil, when it comes to baby rape. Which is a perfectly valid stance, and I think I can do that. All things considered, he might have made the point with a good deal less spittle. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/253 "2014-07-03T12:33:46Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > All things considered, he might have made the point with a good deal less spittle. Living in Missouri, I became quite weary hearing Akin blathering on about “legitimate rape.” This thread has already had someone totting up which rapes are more acceptable than other rapes. Since we’re in the Pit now, a little spittle was worth it if that nastiness gets cut short. Think back to the Sandusky threads with the infamous “paper towel tube” and how great that type of discussion goes. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/254 "2014-07-03T12:38:53Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Living in Missouri, I became quite weary hearing Akin blathering on about “legitimate rape.” This thread has already had someone totting up which rapes are more acceptable than other rapes. > > Since we’re in the Pit now, a little spittle was worth it if that nastiness gets cut short. Think back to the Sandusky threads with the infamous “paper towel tube” and how great that type of discussion goes. Heh, I’m totally on your side here. But Mr. Dibble, unlike Ms. Broomstick, hasn’t spent the entire thread arguing that his opinion of Bradley and her husband is dependent upon the age of the children that they raped. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/255 "2014-07-03T12:45:16Z")
I’m cool with being cautioned over it, really. I did maybe carry my thinking in a direction that wasn’t needed at all. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/256 "2014-07-03T12:50:12Z")
I guess it is interesting how quickly I flipped into “Pit mode”. And I hardly ever post in the Pit outside of gripe threads! ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/257 "2014-07-03T12:52:20Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m cool with being cautioned over it, really. I did maybe carry my thinking in a direction that wasn’t needed at all. I get that. The lunacy of this thread is enough to drive anyone slightly bonkers. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/258 "2014-07-03T12:57:26Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The award is given out by the World Fantasy Convention. You can mail them at the address given at [http://www.worldfantasy.org/board.html](http://www.worldfantasy.org/board.html) - probably want to address it to the Awards Administration, I know I did. Welp, message sent. Don’t know whether it will do anything or not, but I felt slightly better after sending it. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/259 "2014-07-03T13:04:59Z")
Edit Window Missed: To comment on the main subject of this thread – I had read some stuff by MZB. I thought it was OK-ish. I know, however, that I am not going to be re-reading it; I would feel really bad about it. I would have tremendous difficulties with it. I guess this is how I am. Another example: I cannot enjoy Wagner’s music. Apart from it being a bit too ponderous for my tastes, knowing the kind of slimy motherfucker he was spoils things for me. I can accept cranky artists, or creators who are (more than) a bit bonkers, or even certain types of criminals (but then, their artistic output has to be AWESOME for me to be able to enjoy it –[François Villon](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Villon), I am looking at you). But someone who had more than a bit of the backstabber in him, who used others to climb and threw them away when they were not needed anymore… I guess I cannot stomach that. And if I cannot stomach that, imagine stomaching someone who did what MZB did! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-marion-z-bradleys-child-raping-has-come-out-does-it-change-your-desire-to-reread-her/691973/260 "2014-07-03T13:11:46Z")
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