# Now that the conventions are over let's discuss Clinton vs. Trump campaigns **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 29, 2016, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206 "2016-07-29T17:54:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/41 "2016-07-30T01:16:24Z")
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I’m not super enthused about Clinton either, but she is much closer to my views than Trump. Regarding Trump’s economic views, how do you feel about his suggestion that the US could convince bond holders to accept less than full payback? Do you agree that having bond holders take a haircut would be a good move? He’s also suggested protectionist tariffs and possibly leaving the WTO. Are you on board with those ideas? ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/42 "2016-07-30T01:31:26Z")
Let’s remember that Trump was a budding Democrat, too. I think he will be more effective in working both sides of the aisle than Clinton. As for the measures you mention, it’s a fluid dynamic and each item is part of the whole scenario. So for me it’s not about the parts, but about the whole. But in general, just because we happen now to be the strongest country in the world, I believe we should act according to the Golden Rule, especially thinking about what if we were not the strongest, how would we wish to be treated? But you cannot satisfy all of the people all of the time and sometimes you will end up with some who are highly upset. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/43 "2016-07-30T01:31:48Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > So… I support Trump here because it is either him or Clinton, and I am not keen on Clinton. Trump has a good grasp on economic reality, Nope. > **[Trump trade plans could cause global recession: Experts](https://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/10/trump-trade-plans-could-cause-global-recession-experts.html)** > > Even those saying GOP front-runner Donald Trump has rightly diagnosed a problem with U.S. trade policies are wary of his prescriptions. > [@](#): > > Trump trade plans could cause global recession: Experts > [@Bullitt](#): > > and he has the leadership to assemble a solid team to cover his blind spots. Bwaa Ha haa… [wipes a tear in an eye] uh. NO. > **[Of Course Trump Chose a Global Warming Denier as His Energy Adviser](https://slate.com/technology/2016/05/trump-picks-climate-change-denier-as-energy-adviser.html)** > > Donald Trump picks global warming denier Rep. Kevin Cramer as his energy adviser. > [@](#): > > Donald Trump has announced his new energy adviser: Rep. Kevin Cramer (R–North Dakota). > > I hope you’re sitting down for this shocker: Cramer is a global warming denier. And to be clear, he’s not just a denier. He’s a crackpot. > [@Bullitt](#): > > In Trump I see leadership, leadership that is good for America. But leading the strongest country in the world comes with great responsibility, and he had better wield that power humbly and civilly. Trump is not a leader. He is a populist. And there is not a humble or civil bone on him. [“Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?”](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-axelrod/the-tartuffetrump-connect_b_9996198.html) > [@Bullitt](#): > > Yes my eyes sometimes sting trying to see through the smoke of his poor word choices when he flaps his gums. HTH, **Bayard**? Besides poor word choices he already has shown how poor he chooses his fellow travelers and likely to be cabinet members. > **['America's toughest sheriff' found in contempt of court in racial profiling case](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/14/america-toughest-sheriff-joe-arpaio-racial-profiling-case)** > > Ruling marks defeat for Joe Arpaio – the longtime Arizona sheriff known for tough crackdown on immigration – who disobeyed a federal judge’s orders > [@](#): > > ‘America’s toughest sheriff’ found in contempt of court in racial profiling case > [@](#): > > Arpaio, who calls himself “America’s toughest sheriff” and has been a prominent backer of the presidential candidacy of Donald Trump, is thus a step closer to a possible criminal contempt case that could expose him to fines and even jail. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/44 "2016-07-30T01:41:54Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Let’s remember that Trump was a budding Democrat, too. I think he will be more effective in working both sides of the aisle than Clinton. I think that you are forgetting that Trump is like a top, (I call it El Trompo) we already did see how he can change positions, and unfortunately the way he has landed \*\*\*now \*\*\*after the furious recent spins is to get closer to very reprehensible henchmen that demonstrates where Trump is bound to do in his presidency. His democratic budding was nipped in the bud already. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/45 "2016-07-30T01:45:48Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Trump is definitely more entertaining. It’s easier to listen to him say crap I don’t like than listening to Hillary say crap I do like. He doesn’t seem to be leveraging that very well though. Well, celebrate today’s post-DNC convention announcement. [“I’m taking the gloves off. Take the gloves off. Right? Taking the gloves off! Just remember this: Trump is gonna be no more Mister Nice Guy … Tell Hillary I’m not gonna be nice any more … I’ve been nice. But after watching that performance last night – such lies – I don’t have to be nice any more.”](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/donald-trump-nice-226457) So far we’ve only been seeing the classy, take-the-high-road Donald Trump, see. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/46 "2016-07-30T01:47:47Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > … > > Trump understands that the engine powering all of our programs is powered by the economy, and he has extensive experience in optimizing corporate entities. Nothing exposes failures like competition, and Trump has been navigating through competitive environments for decades. He is very far from perfect and says some stupid shit, but he will lead us to a better America, and a better world. Yeah, but all the books about Trump and what Trump has accomplished never go beyond Chapter 11. ---
**Author:** ![Sputnikkk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Sputnikkk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sputnikkk)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/47 "2016-07-30T01:58:31Z")
Trump’s speech said nothing. Hillary’s speech had substance but her voice is so grating it made me cringe. I would rather read Hillary’s speech or listen to anyone else read it. Her voice reminds me of a nagging house wife from the 50s, like Alice from the honeymooners. Or like a schoolmarm scolding a classroom of unruly children who did something wrong. Everyone talks about how its amazing she has made it so far in politics because she is a woman, but I am always wondering how did she make it so far with such an annoying voice. Seems like she would have had a speech coach train her to speak without sounding irritatingly, shrill and condescending. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/48 "2016-07-30T02:02:35Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > I have not answered it. I generally try to avoid politics here, but haven’t been very successful lately. It must be an election year. You’ll find me mostly in the Trivia Dominoes Thread Game. I am a registered Republican but have not always voted GOP; I am socially moderate, fiscally conservative, and Christian but definitely not far-right - God is the one to judge, I try not to (but yeah, I am human, aren’t we all? :D). > > I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, so I like telling my wife that we’re probably not as conservative as we like to think we are. We embrace other cultures and religions, and we love and respect others. My wife is better at that than I. > > One reason I try to avoid talking politics is because it has been my experience that most here on The Dope lean farther to the left than I, and many have difficulty discussing civilly without calling names. To be fair, while I think I’ve avoided name calling there have been times I’ve called bullshit, or even bull fucking shit. Not cool on my part. I’m not out to convince another that their views are errant and they should change to agree with me. I think it’d be great if we can exchange ideas, and agree to disagree if it comes down to that. > > So… I support Trump here because it is either him or Clinton, and I am not keen on Clinton. Trump has a good grasp on economic reality, and he has the leadership to assemble a solid team to cover his blind spots. In Trump I see leadership, leadership that is good for America. But leading the strongest country in the world comes with great responsibility, and he had better wield that power humbly and civilly. > > Yes my eyes sometimes sting trying to see through the smoke of his poor word choices when he flaps his gums. HTH, **Bayard**? The problem is that you can’t run the country like you do a business. You can’t fire the Supreme Court just because you don’t like the way they rule on an issue. He’s advocated for war crimes. He’s wanting to expand torture. He wants to make it easier to sue the press and collect lots of money. Many of his suggested policy stances could very well be unconstitutional. His Muslim ban (I know he’s walked that back some) could violate the First Amendment because it has the government promoting one religion over another. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/49 "2016-07-30T03:05:14Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Let’s remember that Trump was a budding Democrat, too. I think he will be more effective in working both sides of the aisle than Clinton. > > As for the measures you mention, it’s a fluid dynamic and each item is part of the whole scenario. So for me it’s not about the parts, but about the whole. But in general, just because we happen now to be the strongest country in the world, I believe we should act according to the Golden Rule, especially thinking about what if we were not the strongest, how would we wish to be treated? But you cannot satisfy all of the people all of the time and sometimes you will end up with some who are highly upset. OK, fair enough. I admit that my support of Clinton is based to some extent on a sort of Gestalt rather than a detailed analysis of all her policies. You mentioned the Golden Rule and how we’d like to be treated if we were not the most powerful nation. I think this is a good view. But I would point to Trump’s advocacy of torture and his proposal to attack the (non-combatant) families of terrorists as evidence that his views don’t align with yours in this respect. Again realizing that we all make our political choices based on gut feeling to some extent, I’m curious if there are any specific plans put forward by Trump that you want to see implemented. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/50 "2016-07-30T03:10:52Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Disagree. I think anytime a female makes her voice heard people immediately label her a Harpy. Pelosi… harpy, Fiorina… harpy, Warren… harpy. Clinton to me is far from “shrill”. It’s just a female voice. Get over it. If you are directing that at me, then that is quite offensive. It reminds me of 2008 when people wanted to label me as a racist because Obama is black and I must not think Obama will be a good President for racial reasons. You know even though I am a Republican I don’t necessarily pass judgements on race in 2008 nor do I pass judgement based on gender in 2016. It has nothing to do with “a female mak[ing] her voice heard” so go ahead and shove the accusation of sexism up your ass where it belongs. It is an attack on one specific woman whose voice gets shrill when she is building up the energy in her speech so she sounds like a harpy and it makes THAT SPECIFIC WOMAN displeasing to listen to. So don’t generalize a statement I make about one specific woman into an accusation of generalized sexism again. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/51 "2016-07-30T03:57:40Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Voters - Advantage Clinton. > > Trump has lost the minority vote, the Muslim voters, many of the women & the college educated, and anyone with common sense for that matter. He continues to do strong with the lower IQ white male voters who blame their failures on the system. First question: how many of them vote Pub anyways? Second question: Hasn’t Hillary lost the young progressive vote by beating up on Bernie and stealing his nomination?\* \*I’m joking but BernieBrats are serious. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/52 "2016-07-30T05:29:51Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > OK, fair enough. I admit that my support of Clinton is based to some extent on a sort of Gestalt rather than a detailed analysis of all her policies. > > You mentioned the Golden Rule and how we’d like to be treated if we were not the most powerful nation. I think this is a good view. But I would point to Trump’s advocacy of torture and his proposal to attack the (non-combatant) families of terrorists as evidence that his views don’t align with yours in this respect. > > Again realizing that we all make our political choices based on gut feeling to some extent, I’m curious if there are any specific plans put forward by Trump that you want to see implemented. Fear is a strong motivator, and Trump is tapping into peoples’ fears. Just. To. Get. The. Vote. He is playing the game, and playing it quite well. All politicians do it to some extent. One example, Obama promised to close down Gitmo, and that earned many votes. It’s still not done. Maybe Obama was sincere in his promise, and maybe not. Hard to tell. And I’m not asking to debate / discuss the Whys for it not being closed. Torture? Some of it has its place. Attack the non-combatant family members of terrorists? I am wholly against that, but, first we need to define non- combatant. Aiding and abetting? That might earn some level of ‘attack’ in my book. Finally, I think that of all of us who vote, that each of us does not agree 100% with every policy or position of our chosen candidate. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/53 "2016-07-30T05:31:17Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Yeah, but all the books about Trump and what Trump has accomplished never go beyond Chapter 11. Good one! ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/54 "2016-07-30T06:04:32Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Fear is a strong motivator, and Trump is tapping into peoples’ fears. Just. To. Get. The. Vote. He is playing the game, and playing it quite well. All politicians do it to some extent. One example, Obama promised to close down Gitmo, and that earned many votes. It’s still not done. Maybe Obama was sincere in his promise, and maybe not. Hard to tell. And I’m not asking to debate / discuss the Whys for it not being closed. > > Torture? Some of it has its place. > > Attack the non-combatant family members of terrorists? I am wholly against that, but, first we need to define non- combatant. Aiding and abetting? That might earn some level of ‘attack’ in my book. > > Finally, I think that of all of us who vote, that each of us does not agree 100% with every policy or position of our chosen candidate. Obama signed the order to close Gitmo in January, 2009, right after his inauguration. It was blocked by Congress. He had tried repeatedly since then, and is still trying, to get it closed down despite congressional opposition. Torture only had a place if you want to be the bad guy. If you want to have a moral and just nation, it has no place. So you’re wholly against attacking the non-combatant family members of terrorists. Maybe. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/55 "2016-07-30T06:36:15Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Torture? Some of it has its place. As it has been through history, Torture has a place among \*\*authoritarians **to get justifications for very reprehensible acts of their governments. \*\* It has no place in a democracy,** but it is clear that you think it will be appropriate for a Trump presidency. [http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/torturingdemocracy/interviews/steven\_kleinman.html](http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/torturingdemocracy/interviews/steven_kleinman.html) > [@](#): > > “If your interrogation methods are broadcast around the world and are seen as inhuman, as unlawful, then it’s hard for me to fathom the nature of the information that could be so valuable that would offset the fact that your process has created a theme for recruiting terrorists across Europe.” - Colonel Steven Kleinman Senior Intelligence Officer U.S. Air Force (1985-2008) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/56 "2016-07-30T12:22:28Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > I saw this commercial and its point is a good one. Trump has said some really stupid shit and has given Clinton a lot of ammo for her sound bites. I think there are other commercials too, like Trump speaking about disabled people - maybe that’s the same commercial. But I’ve seen at least two Clinton commercials showing Trump saying stupid shit. He is far from a polished politician, and he is a brash N’Yawker. I want him to win but he better act a lot more presidential than that. > > But I believe he will win, and I believe he will be much more presidential, and I believe he is only playing the campaign game now. If I may ask, on what do you base your belief that Trump “will be much more presidential”? It’s been my experience that people tell you exactly who they are through word and deed; It’s our job to listen. Trump has demonstrated throughout his life that he is in this only for himself and he’s willing and able to lie, cheat and steal to get ahead. Additionally, he doesn’t much care whom he cheats or lies to, including those much less fortunate than he. By his own account, it’s a formula that’s made him the success he is today. What would precipitate this radical change of character in Trump that you believe will happen? ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/57 "2016-07-30T15:06:04Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > As it has been through history, Torture has a place among \*\*authoritarians \*\*to get justifications for very reprehensible acts of their governments. Torture has been used this way, to be sure. However it can be a way to get vital information when that information is time critical. To categorically rule out any and all forms of torture, forever, might be too limiting. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > **It has no place in a democracy,** but it is clear that you think it will be appropriate for a Trump presidency. Sometimes you have to fight hard to keep our democracy, if you can keep it. > [@Lok](#): > > So you’re wholly against attacking the non-combatant family members of terrorists. Maybe. Quite astute. If only the world were clearly black and white. Again, define non-combatant for me. What exactly does that mean? Where is the line drawn, across which attacking the family members is and is not justified? > [@QuickSilver](#): > > If I may ask, on what do you base your belief that Trump “will be much more presidential”? > > \ > > What would precipitate this radical change of character in Trump that you believe will happen? To what end would we want to discuss this? I provide my justification, you provide your counterpoints. Then I provide my counterpoints. Where does this end? Let us agree to disagree. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/58 "2016-07-30T15:10:37Z")
And pretend that murdering the innocent is nothing but an abstract intellectual point? No, let’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/59 "2016-07-30T15:26:48Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > If you are directing that at me, then that is quite offensive. The terms “shrill” and “queen of the harpies” are quite obviously sexist, because they are insults predicated on the object being a woman. It’s like arguing that saying “uppity” isn’t a racist term when used to describe a black person. The criticism that Clinton doesn’t give prepared speeches particularly well is perfectly valid, but when it’s couched in such derogatory terms, it should be called out. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206/60 "2016-07-30T15:42:07Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > If you are directing that at me, then that is quite offensive. It reminds me of 2008 when people wanted to label me as a racist because Obama is black and I must not think Obama will be a good President for racial reasons. You know even though I am a Republican I don’t necessarily pass judgements on race in 2008 nor do I pass judgement based on gender in 2016. > > It has nothing to do with “a female mak[ing] her voice heard” so go ahead and shove the accusation of sexism up your ass where it belongs. It is an attack on one specific woman whose voice gets shrill when she is building up the energy in her speech so she sounds like a harpy and it makes THAT SPECIFIC WOMAN displeasing to listen to. > > So don’t generalize a statement I make about one specific woman into an accusation of generalized sexism again. That’ll earn you a warning, Saint Cad. You cannot address other posters that way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-the-conventions-are-over-lets-discuss-clinton-vs-trump-campaigns/761206.md?page=4)