# Now THAT Was Fucking Helpful.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 10, 2002, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780 "2002-12-10T16:31:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIG_DADDY_1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/81 "2002-12-11T22:50:01Z")
Wolffy wrote: > [@](#): > > 1. Approach dumb rich ignorant student talking about “peace” and saying there should be, “no retaliation.” Yea, that’s ususally the response from someone who seriously lacks any IQ. Good to see you have spent some serious time working on your name calling though that was pretty impressive stuff. \ **Author:** ![BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIG_DADDY_1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/82 "2002-12-11T22:51:44Z") > [@](#): > > Since those critera aren’t met, I’ll just go ahead and call you all sorts of portmonteau names. This is what I meant but since you can’t edit your posts here. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/83 "2002-12-11T22:52:10Z")
no, Sparky–YOU wrote that. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![patteeu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@patteeu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/patteeu)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/84 "2002-12-11T22:52:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lynn Bodoni \* > \*\ ***Clint in Wichita** , the first rule on the Straight Dope Message Board is “Don’t be a jerk.” This applies even in the Pit. You’ve started off badly, and frankly I’m not inclined to give you much slack. Tone it down, or find another message board to play on. > > Lynn > For the Straight Dope \*\* As someone whose first introduction to this B-Board was this thread, I have to say I’m not impressed with your apparent lack of even-handedness. Quotes from Shodan like “tied down and sodomized with a dildo wrapped in razor wire” and “hung upside down and have jalapeno pepper sauce dripped on the paper cuts on your scrotum” go by without remark. Shodan goes on to call CfW names such as “imbecilic fuckwad” and “mouth-breathing moron,” and then a whole crowd jumps in to pat Shodan on the back much like little kids on the playground cheering on the bully. But as soon as the woefully outnumberd Clint in Witchita attempts to fight back with the similar extreme verbal weaponry, you step in and warn him? That is ridiculous, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![patteeu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@patteeu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/patteeu)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/85 "2002-12-11T22:55:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBeer \* > \*\*Clint, I hate to tell you this, but I’m pretty sure Lynn is referring to your comment above, “The doctor who delivered you should’ve turned you around, stuck your head right back into your mother’s ass, and sliced you open from stem to stern with a scalpel.” That’s rather outside the bounds of what we allow even here in the BBQ Pit. While, yes, this is the forum for flames, there are some things that we still don’t like. Got it? \*\* What is the difference between that and the crap that Shodan is spewing? Just wondering? ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/86 "2002-12-11T22:56:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BIG\_DADDY \* > \*\*This is what I meant but since you can’t edit your posts here. :rolleyes: \*\* No, but you _can_ preview. But I suppose that’s only for those of us with low IQs (who know that if we complain about not being able to edit our own posts once, _still_ won’t be able to edit them half an hour later). ---
**Author:** ![BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIG_DADDY_1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/87 "2002-12-11T22:58:36Z")
> [@](#): > > What is the difference between that and the crap that Shodan is spewing? Just wondering? My sentiments exactly. That torture thing at the top was as bad or worse tha anything else I read on here. I guess they did it cause the other guy was new or something. ---
**Author:** ![BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIG_DADDY_1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/88 "2002-12-11T22:59:46Z")
Hey wolffy, all you have to do is engage in the debate instead or cowering like a little bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/89 "2002-12-11T23:05:40Z")
**patteeu** , my own suspicion is that **Clint’s** advocacy of genocide is what’s over the limit of jerkitude, even for The Pit, not so much the verbal abuse. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/90 "2002-12-11T23:06:55Z")
BD, you’ve been told by **UncleBeer,** this isn’t the forum for debate…what I said had nothing to do with the points you made, and weren’t in any way related to the stance you took. It was a personal attack, because \*the way you made those points, \*you came across as being a hateful, racist, genocidal, warmongering little prat. capisce? [sub]God, I love the pit![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/91 "2002-12-11T23:11:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BIG\_DADDY \* > \*\*For all of you that don’t think striking back is an appropriate move I give you this: > > 1. Approach dumb rich ignorant student talking about “peace” and saying there should be, “no retaliation.” > 2. Engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate. > 3. When he says “No,” ask, “Why not?” > 4. Wait until he says something to the effect of, “Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence.” > 5. When he’s in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can. > 6. When he gets back up to up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, “be awful and he should not cause more violence.” > 7. Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to commit additional violence. > 8. Punch him in the face again, harder this time. > Repeat steps 5 through 8 until they understand that sometimes it is necessary to punch back. \*\* Yawn. Hackneyed, contrived, non relevant rhetoric, anyone? Let me try the following. No-one here has argued against the use of force. Indeed should you approach your subject and strike him, and he should then deck the living hell out of you, I’m sure many people would view this as a good thing and be happy. To give a slightly more relevant case, let us imagine that you murder someone. Should I then have you and 9 members of your family executed as just punishment? Can you see, for 1 second, any slight problems with this scheme? ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/92 "2002-12-11T23:16:08Z")
> [@](#): > > What is the difference between that and the crap that Shodan is spewing? Just wondering? I dunno, what makes you think I’ve read what Shodan “spewed?” I was just trying to make a point of clarification based on my years of moderating experience here. It’s entirely possible that I’m mistaken and that bit I quoted is only part of what’s Lynn is talking about. If you want a more formal statement from Lynn as to what specifically irked her, I suggest bouncing off an e-mail to her. Her address is available through her profile. > [@](#): > > Hey wolffy, all you have to do is engage in the debate instead or cowering like a little bitch. Allow me to repeat myself. If you want a civil debate, try the forum designated for that. Coming in here whining about the level of discourse is misguided. ---
**Author:** ![BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIG_DADDY_1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/93 "2002-12-11T23:19:11Z")
Wolffy wrote: > [@](#): > > It was a personal attack, because the way you made those points, you came across as being a hateful, racist, genocidal, warmongering little prat. capisce? 1. I don’t consider striking somebody back hateful. 2. Racist? Yea OK :rolleyes: Anybody subject to terrorism should have that right not just us. We our a country of many races as well so you that is complete BS. 3. Genocidal? How so? I never condoned that. Just because I believe in use of force and making terrorism unthinkable does not make me genocidal. 4. Warmonger? Unfortunate reality is that it is necessary sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/94 "2002-12-11T23:19:49Z")
Wow! I’m going to have to pull my socks up to keep up with you **Big Daddy**! > [@](#): > > _originally posted by Big Daddy_ > \*\*Seriously, I’m not trying to flame or be a smart ass. I am just trying to get a serious answer. \*\* > [@](#): > > _originally posted by Big Daddy_ > \*\*4. Turn all their young hotties into cum guzzling little sluts. > > Once they experience that they will never go back. \*\* I can only draw one of two possible conclusions here, either you’re serious or you’re not – and neither of these conclusions reflect particularly well on you. ---
**Author:** ![patteeu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@patteeu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/patteeu)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/95 "2002-12-11T23:24:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Colibri \* > \*\ ***patteeu** , my own suspicion is that **Clint’s** advocacy of genocide is what’s over the limit of jerkitude, even for The Pit, not so much the verbal abuse. \*\* I didn’t read the original thread so I don’t know what CiW said besides the “nits make lice” quote. But that plus his clarification: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Clint in Wichita \* > \*\*Let’s be clear: When I said “nits make lice”, I meant that Palestinian terrorists were once Palestinian children. > > If Mommy and Daddy Palestinian don’t want Junior to become a grease spot, stop the terrorist activity & stop making your own neighborhood a battlefield. > > The Palestinians have never had a legitimate claim to the lands they occupy. I think Israel has shown tremendous restraint in not eliminating all Palestinians in the region. \*\* hardly constitute a call for genocide IMO. patteeu \<-- thinks that genocide is a word that gets thrown around too lightly ---
**Author:** ![BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIG_DADDY_1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/96 "2002-12-11T23:26:38Z")
UncleBeer, I got you the first time. Are you inferring that there can be no logical conversations in the BBQ pit? Why don’t you call it the name calling thread if that is all that is allowed here. Gary wrote: To give a slightly more relevant case, let us imagine that you murder someone. Should I then have you and 9 members of your family executed as just punishment? Can you see, for 1 second, any slight problems with this scheme? In the case of an isolated incident, yes. In the case of having your kids and civilians attacked by organized militant groups, no. Once the general population gets tired of paying the price for what these barbaric morons are doing they will start telling you where they are at and what they are doing. It’s not a nice thing but a necessary thing. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/97 "2002-12-11T23:36:17Z")
\ OK, if it’ll shut you up (which I doubt)… > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BIG\_DADDY \* > \*\* > > 1. I don’t consider striking somebody back hateful.\*\* > [@](#): > > 1. Take over the country That goes a bit beyond “striking back.” It’s that kind of attitude which made Bin Laden hate us in the first place [sub]debatably[/sub]. It’s what they call “Yankee Imperialism.” > [@](#): > > \*\* > 2. Racist? Yea OK :rolleyes: Anybody subject to terrorism should have that right not just us. We our a country of many races as well so you that is complete BS.\*\* > [@](#): > > 1. Make Burkas illegal Yes, we’re a country of many races, as well as religious tolerance, apparently. > [@](#): > > \*\* > 3. Genocidal? How so? I never condoned that. Just because I believe in use of force and making terrorism unthinkable does not make me genocidal.\*\* > [@](#): > > You want to kill 20 people/kids whatever in a bus bomb were going to kill 200 in return. You want to kill 1000? Great we will kill 10,000. \ Yup. Smells genocidal to me. > [@](#): > > \*\* > 4. Warmonger? Unfortunate reality is that it is necessary sometimes. \*\* Well, you stumped me–I used “Warmonger” as an insult, you look at it as a point of pride. One man’s meat is another man’s poison, I suppose. Now go away. I’m done with you. ---
**Author:** ![BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIG_DADDY_1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/98 "2002-12-11T23:37:59Z")
TS wrote: I can only draw one of two possible conclusions here, either you’re serious or you’re not – and neither of these conclusions reflect particularly well on you. Why not, turn into the new age Babylon of the Middle East. The little Muslim Hotties will make more in a night than they would have made in a lifetime and everyone will have a good time. You like girls don’t you TS? BIG DADDY IF they can do it in Vegas we can do it there!!! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/99 "2002-12-11T23:40:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by patteeu \* > \*\*I didn’t read the original thread so I don’t know what CiW said besides the “nits make lice” quote. But that plus his clarification: > > ## quote: > > Originally posted by Clint in Wichita > Let’s be clear: When I said “nits make lice”, I meant that Palestinian terrorists were once Palestinian children. > > If Mommy and Daddy Palestinian don’t want Junior to become a grease spot, stop the terrorist activity & stop making your own neighborhood a battlefield. > > ## The Palestinians have never had a legitimate claim to the lands they occupy. I think Israel has shown tremendous restraint in not eliminating all Palestinians in the region. > > hardly constitute a call for genocide IMO. > > patteeu \<-- thinks that genocide is a word that gets thrown around too lightly \*\* The original context of “nits make lice” - in GQ - was a call for genocide against American Indians, as explained previously in this thread. **Clint** obviously intended the genocidal connotations, as his clarification does in fact make clear: One can get rid of the terrorist problem by killing Palestinian children before they have a chance to become terrorisits. And given the context, what are we to make of the comment about “eliminating all Palestinians in the region,” other that jolly **Clint** is suggesting that Israel would be justified in killing all Palestinians. (Somehow, I don’t think he was talking about simply deporting them.) ---
**Author:** ![BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@BIG\_DADDY\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BIG_DADDY_1)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2002, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/100 "2002-12-11T23:47:20Z")
Wolfy, I’m just fighting fire with fire. He wants all our women to wear Burkas or he’s going to attack us forever. Well hell that’s easy, eliminate the Burkas, you can always bring them back after you wack the wackos. Wolfy, that’s not genocide ## gen·o·cide ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jn-sd) n. The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group. ## [Greek genos, race; see gen- in Indo-European Roots + -cide.] geno·cidal (-sdl) adj. geno·cidal·ly adv. I do not want to eliminate an entire race, political or ethinic group. I just said we must smite them 10x As far as the taking over of the country goes they can always have it back after they have some system plugged in where the people have a say in what happens in their country and the wackos are wacked. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780.md?page=6)