# Now THAT Was Fucking Helpful.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 10, 2002, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780 "2002-12-10T16:31:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![patteeu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@patteeu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/patteeu)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/121 "2002-12-12T06:39:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Super Gnat \* > \*\ ***patteeu** , thanks for the cites. > > When I said “Israelis have killed family members for no reason other than genetic ties”, I meant that only within my little example of what would happen if the Israelis followed a 10x policy. I don’t think they have killed people over that kind of thing; but this and this would seem to suggest that people [have been] targeted who did nothing wrong…\*\* I am sure that innocent palestinians have been killed during the violence, and I’m sure that there have been isolated incidents where israeli soldiers have actually targeted innocent civilians. But I’m not so sure that there is any higher level policy of the israelis to “target” people who did nothing wrong. Your two cites may have provided evidence of this, but frankly I didn’t have the stamina to read the amnesty page because it was very long. If you point me to a specific part of the document I’d be happy to read it. Otherwise, I’m willing to drop this if we agree that the israelis don’t have a policy of killing family members of terrorists. That, IMO, is a myth that is repeated far too often among the defenders of the palestinians. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/122 "2002-12-12T06:46:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BIG\_DADDY \* > \*\*Gary wrote: > To give a slightly more relevant case, let us imagine that you murder someone. Should I then have you and 9 members of your family executed as just punishment? Can you see, for 1 second, any slight problems with this scheme? > In the case of an isolated incident, yes. In the case of having your kids and civilians attacked by organized militant groups, no. Once the general population gets tired of paying the price for what these barbaric morons are doing they will start telling you where they are at and what they are doing. It’s not a nice thing but a necessary thing. \*\* Oh really. So a terrorist group kills 10 people. Your considered response is to round up100 of their nation, regardless of their innocence in this matter, and kill them. Again, may I ask if you can see any slight problems with this. I will try to give you a clue - you’ve now become terrorists yourself, and have killed 100 innocent people. And you somehow think that this won’t fuck off the families of 100 people, and encourage them to kill as many of yours as they can? ---
**Author:** ![Nocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9fc348/32.png) [@Nocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nocturne)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/124 "2002-12-12T07:47:31Z")
Oh God. I feel so dirty for having read that now. I personally love it how **Clint** isn’t addressing where the “nits make lice” comment ORIGINATED. -Nocturne, some of whose ancestors died as a result of “nits make lice” thinking. ---
**Author:** ![patteeu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@patteeu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/patteeu)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/125 "2002-12-12T07:51:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revenge \* > \*\*Here is the true Clint. No thank you is needed. > > [http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?threadid=46381&perpage=15&pagenumber=1](http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?threadid=46381&perpage=15&pagenumber=1) \*\* Why do you hide your identity, Revenge? You are obviously from Chiefsplanet, but there is no one registered there by that name. Just curious why you would be such a coward. Are you afraid that CfW will type a message at you in capital letters? Pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/126 "2002-12-12T08:27:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BIG\_DADDY \* > \*\*You like girls don’t you TS? > > BIG DADDY\*\* And this has what to do with anything? If you guys want to really participate on this board, y’all are welcome to do so. The SDMB has all kinds, from hardcore conservative religious fundamentalists to radical queer activists, and it makes for a pretty exciting mix. If, instead, you guys just want to wave your particoloured asses around like testosterone-crazed baboons, I’d suggest you stick to your own board where that sort of thing is really appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/127 "2002-12-12T08:33:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by patteeu \* > \*\* Pathetic. \*\* Yawn. Sorry someone blew your little game, but such is life. Perhaps we should start turning up at your forum, posting inane drivel just to get a rise… …nah, too juvenile for my taste, and frankly where’s the challenge or entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/131 "2002-12-12T12:35:21Z")
so Big\_Daddy advocates punching someone for having a different idea to him. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/132 "2002-12-12T13:34:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*so Big\_Daddy advocates punching someone for having a different idea to him. \*\* Not quite. He advocates doing this on the internet. Fancy a little bet on whether he’d do this in real life? ---
**Author:** ![patteeu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@patteeu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/patteeu)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/133 "2002-12-12T13:41:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revenge \* > \*\*Whats wrong PattieCake? Can’t take it like you give it? Don’t worry dude you are still cool in your own eyes. Pathetic is having Clint post on Chiefsplanet lobbying for help because he isn’t man enough to defend his arguement by himself. Cowardly is not mentioning or letting light of the fact you 3 buttbuddies talk on a daily basis. Nice touch by the way to try to make yourselves seem independent of one another. Pathetic is you 3 nits/lice got caught. Coward is not owning up to the fact you guys did this for fun to make yourselves seem superior. You 3 take the cake at stupidity. \*\* I’m just curious what you think I can’t take? I don’t have any problem with you publicizing the fact that CfW, BIG\_DADDY, and I are all posters at [www.chiefsplanet.com](http://www.chiefsplanet.com), but I do have a problem with you doing it under a name designed to hide your identity. You will notice that the three of us made no effort to hide who we were. I didn’t see any other poster identifying where and under what circumstances they came to be aware of this message board, so why should I? As for talking on a daily basis, I would correct you and say we all probably post on chiefsplanet on a daily basis. But there isn’t any particular interaction between the three of us. IIRC, I disagree with CfW more often than I agree, but frankly I don’t remember because he is just one of many who post there. I stand by what I’ve posted on this thread. The fact that I was turned on to the Straight Dope message boards in general and this thread in particular by CfW doesn’t make my posts any less legitimate than any of the others here. ---
**Author:** ![patteeu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@patteeu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/patteeu)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/134 "2002-12-12T13:54:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gary Kumquat \* > \*\*Yawn. Sorry someone blew your little game, but such is life. Perhaps we should start turning up at your forum, posting inane drivel just to get a rise… > …nah, too juvenile for my taste, and frankly where’s the challenge or entertainment. \*\* I would call it a game if CfW, BIG\_DADDY, and patteeu were all three the same person posting under different handles just to puff up his/her argument. But the idea that since we came from the same place on the net our participation here is less legit than yours is dumb. You are welcome to come to chiefsplanet any time you want. We have lots of people there who post inane drivel so you will feel right at home if that is your thing. If you are a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs, then you will feel even more at home regardless of what type of drivel you post. Where did you come from Gary Kumquat, and what type of game are you playing? ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/135 "2002-12-12T13:55:45Z")
Fucking trolls. This thread is closed. The continued membership of the lot o’ ya (patteau, Big Daddy, Clint, Revenge and anybody else I find has come over here through the Chief’s Planet site) is in doubt; don’t be surprised if when you return, you can’t access the boards. It’s bad enough that you clowns are here to do nothing but stir up trouble, but: > [@](#): > > I’m just curious what you think I can’t take? I don’t have any problem with you publicizing the fact that CfW, BIG\_DADDY, and I are all posters at [www.chiefsplanet.com](http://www.chiefsplanet.com), but I do have a problem with you doing it under a name designed to hide your identity. You will notice that the three of us made no effort to hide who we were. I didn’t see any other poster identifying where and under what circumstances they came to be aware of this message board, so why should I? this really rankles. We **are not** going to host a battle that belongs on another friggin’ message board. If any of you wish to give me a reason we should allow you to retain your membership here, send me an e-mail. But I gotta tell ya it’s gonna have to be a goddamned good reason. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2002, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780/136 "2002-12-12T16:03:01Z")
Below is an apology to the staff, and presumably members, from the gentleman who started this thread. I’m posting it here with his permission. It may be of interest to some of you. Also, some administrative notes: • I’ve exchanged a few e-mails with **patteeu** , was impressed with his argument for continued membership, reviewed his posts in the native context of this thread, and judged that he’s not violated the user agreement in any fashion. He retains membership on this message board. • **Revenge** , as you can see has been banned; this for obvious trollery. The status of **Clint** and **Big Daddy** remains in question. On to the apology from Shodan: > [@](#): > > Dear sir - > > I am a member of the Straight Dope Message Board, where my username is Shodan. I started the thread in the BBQ Pit excoriating Clint from Wichita for the “nits make lice” remark he made in a GD thread. > > I am not sure if you include me in the list of those whose membership is in peril, but as I started the thread and set the tone, I am at least partially responsible for the way it turned out. > > I am sorry for that, and for my part in it. > > I value my membership in the SDMB, and I would be sorry - very sorry – to get banned. Please let me know if you think a public apology in the Pit or Great Debates would be appropriate. > > Thanks for your consideration in this matter. > > Regards, > Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-that-was-fucking-helpful/141780.md?page=6)