# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/181 "2009-04-02T01:04:04Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Well, at least speaking as someone raised in Catholicism, there are no prophets in, or since, the New Testament. OK, that’s what I thought. But the Old Testament ones are still considered to be prophets, right? And what about the multiple Gods thing? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/182 "2009-04-02T01:21:58Z")
Most Canadians were not born in America. They are able to be manipulated. It is fun to bend them in all sorts of nifty ways. You can stick them in slots ,plug up holes with them They are handy for plugging leaks. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/183 "2009-04-02T01:24:26Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > OK, that’s what I thought. But the Old Testament ones are still considered to be prophets, right? Oh, yeah. > [@](#): > > And what about the multiple Gods thing? You’ve lost me. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/184 "2009-04-02T01:24:56Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > He’s saying God’s a barrister. No. No. I’m pretty sure he was saying that God is a _barrista_. Or a burritto. Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/185 "2009-04-02T01:28:20Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Well, at least speaking as someone raised in Catholicism, there are no prophets in, or since, the New Testament. Right, but that’s not at all the same as saying that prophets do not exist in Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/186 "2009-04-02T01:29:42Z")
> [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > Was that a Buckaroo Banzia reference or am I just tired? You’re just tired. The Lectroids were from Planet 10 by way of the Eighth Dimension. [Quote=Lobohan] Is it hard to go through life being this stupid? [/Quote] I’m reminded of the character in one of the WB cartoons; the one getting slapped on the back. “Ya idjit! Ya forgot ta breathe again!” It must be like going through life lightly concussed. I can’t imagine believing such stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/187 "2009-04-02T02:38:45Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > It’s really good that demonic princes of ultimate darkness and evil seek so diligently to invisibly exploit loopholes in the law. Maybe the devil needs to hire a lawyer. An advocate, so to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/188 "2009-04-02T04:25:20Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Actually I think he is lying. Reading his posts in this thread and in the SUV thread convinced me that he is simply fucking with us for the joy of it and is no more serious about the theology he spouts than I am about having a teleporter which I use to send gifts to people when I accidentally offend them. I called him a moron above because his riff is so hateful and ignorant. I’ve noticed inconsistencies in his babble, but I’ve assumed that he’s just inconsistent in his craziness. That said, kanicbird hasn’t responded to you calling him out for trolling. So…screw 'im, he’s a troll. But…NO TELEPORTER? ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/189 "2009-04-02T04:28:59Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Yes it is (or was at the time of Obama’s birth. From the 1952 “Immigration and Nationality Act” > > [Quote=AskNott] > > The first part was made up by the conspiracy theorists. It is not a part of US law. > [@Captain Amazing](#): > > Yes it is (or was at the time of Obama’s birth. From the 1952 “Immigration and Nationality Act” > > > [@](#): > > > > Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: . . . > > > > "(7) a person born **outside the geographical limits of the United States** and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years. > > So, actually, at the time, the American citizen had to be at least 19. Hawai’i was a US state when Barack Obama, Jr. was born there. You can look it up. Thus, section 301 of the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act does not apply to him. He’s a natural-born citizen, born in the 50th state of the United States of America. It’s late, and I’m not sure I can stay awake long enough to read all three pages of this thread. If someone has already made this point, props to that poster. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/190 "2009-04-02T05:11:34Z")
God frigging almighty, why do people continue to let **kanicbird** hijack every single thread in which he/she posts into this kind of deranged crap? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/191 "2009-04-02T07:25:17Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > God frigging almighty, why do people continue to let **kanicbird** hijack every single thread in which he/she posts into this kind of deranged crap? Well, this particular thread was pretty deranged to begin with, so kanicbird’s contributions fit in nicely. ---
**Author:** ![5-HT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/f19dbf/32.png) [@5-HT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5-HT)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/192 "2009-04-02T07:50:31Z")
> [@AskNott](#): > > > [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > > > Yes it is (or was at the time of Obama’s birth. From the 1952 “Immigration and Nationality Act” > > > > Hawai’i was a US state when Barack Obama, Jr. was born there. You can look it up. Thus, section 301 of the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act does not apply to him. He’s a natural-born citizen, born in the 50th state of the United States of America. > > > > It’s late, and I’m not sure I can stay awake long enough to read all three pages of this thread. If someone has already made this point, props to that poster. It really doesn’t matter if it applies to Obama or not (you’re right it doesn’t). You said it didn’t exist in US law though, which it clearly did. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/193 "2009-04-02T11:53:33Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Wait a minute. Aren’t there other parts of the Bible that say that there is only one God? Why does that one quote negate the other parts? This should hopefully clarify: [QUOTE=1 Corinthians 8:5] For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), [/QUOTE] Men and demons are ‘gods’, as they have the qualities of a god, and God acknowledges them and respects them as gods. But there is one sovereign God above all. So there is no contradiction. > [@](#): > > Also, it’s from a letter to the Ephesians, right? So, that letter was written by a man who is not a prophet (Paul?, I’m not sure), so he may have been mistaken . Paul is a prophet: > [@](#): > > 2 Corinthians 12:1 > [Paul’s Vision and His Thorn] I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. [QUOTE=1 Corinthians 14:6] Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? [/QUOTE] Prophecy is a gift from God that is available to many that comes through the Holy Spirit. It’s a awesome gift, but it’s not meant for the few elect, but a gift that God desires to give out to many - and is absolutely real (and awesome). [QUOTE=1 Corinthians 14:1] [Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues] Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > If different parts of scripture are contradictory, how do we determine which one is correct and which ones are not? Serious question. Through the Holy Spirit I have been taught that the apparent contradictions are not contradictions, but most of the time it is our very very flawed understanding of the world that makes it seem contradictory. Not that each and every contradiction was explained, or even pointed out, but enough of them plus revelation of God’s truth of the world has proven to me personally that His Word stands absolutely true (with no contradictions), such a pure truth that we in ourselves can’t understand without His help. One aspect that may help is a analogy: our world does not exist in the 3d (+time) as we assume, but at least 4d, which any single person can usually only perceive and directly interact in 3d, though they exist in 4d (or more) space. Different groups of people will have interacting in different dimension groups. So events that happen will appear different depending in the dimensions one is able to perceive. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/194 "2009-04-02T12:07:13Z")
So, in the Old Testament, God says there is only one God, who is omnipotent and omniscient, and he is it. And everybody should worship him. Then, in Paul’s various letters, Paul says that there are multiple Gods, but those Gods are not equal in power to the one God everybody is supposed to worship. These ‘lesser gods’, so to speak, are demons and people. So, Paul is not, in fact contradicting the Old Testament, he’s just using a completely different definition of the word ‘god’ than the definition in typical use. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/195 "2009-04-02T12:10:25Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > Right, but that’s not at all the same as saying that prophets do not exist in Christianity. New Testament = Christianity Old Testament = Judaisim… since the new testament concerned itself with the birth of and life/death of Jesus, and making church doctrine. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/196 "2009-04-02T12:15:41Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > So, in the Old Testament, God says there is only one God, who is omnipotent and omniscient, and he is it. And everybody should worship him. I’m not sure that’s true. In the ten commandments, he said “thou shalt have no other gods _before me_” (emphasis added). ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/197 "2009-04-02T12:29:37Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > That’s twice! :o I shall never again post anything without checking the thread for your post! 🙂 Exxxx-cellent! Between you and **Kobal2** over in the thread on [counts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10988732&postcount=12), I’m on a roll! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/198 "2009-04-02T12:36:25Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Through the Holy Spirit I have been taught that the apparent contradictions are not contradictions, but most of the time it is our very very flawed understanding of the world that makes it seem contradictory. “Well what sort of chance does that give me? All right, I AM the messiah!!!” - Monty Python’s Life of Brian ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/199 "2009-04-02T12:45:07Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Holy shit. How did I miss that in all those years of Sunday school? Does this hold for most/all branches of Christianity? Does this have anything to do with Biblical literalism? I think you’re missing the fact that Frank used the present tense. I could be mistaken, but I don’t think he’s denying that Christians would say that there WERE prophets in the past; just that the age in which prophets were necessary ended with Christ (who was not a prophet himself, but rather the ultimate fulflillment of all prophets’ mission). ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/200 "2009-04-02T12:47:43Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > I’ve noticed inconsistencies in his babble, but I’ve assumed that he’s just inconsistent in his craziness. That said, kanicbird hasn’t responded to you calling him out for trolling. > > So…screw 'im, he’s a troll. > > But…NO TELEPORTER? Of course not. Teleporters’ power requirements are HUGE, and once every 1674 uses the item to be 'ported explodes. I use a TESSERACT. Sheesh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=11)