# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/201 "2009-04-02T12:50:18Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > New Testament = Christianity > Old Testament = Judaisim… > > since the new testament concerned itself with the birth of and life/death of Jesus, and making church doctrine. Under Law = Judaisim Under Grace = Christianity King David was under grace, not the law as he violated the law and was found blameless by God. All scriptures testify about Jesus. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/202 "2009-04-02T12:52:35Z")
In an odd reversal of the usual pattern of GD threads being taken to the Pit, I’ve started a GD thread seeking clarification on the “other gods” thing: [other gods in Christianity?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=512668) ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/203 "2009-04-02T13:13:08Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I’m not sure that’s true. In the ten commandments, he said “thou shalt have no other gods _before me_” (emphasis added). That certainly puts a different spin on things. So, it’s not a monotheistic religion. Is the a word for this kind of ‘lots of gods, but only worship this one’ religion? Is there anywhere in the Judeo-Christian scriptures where anybody says that there is only one ‘real’ God, and that all the other ‘gods’ are imaginary. A quick office poll (warning, small sample size) indicates that everybody here thinks that Christianity teaches there is only one God. Are most people confused about a fundamental belief of their faith? EDIT I just saw the GD link. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/204 "2009-04-02T13:15:55Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > That certainly puts a different spin on things. So, it’s not a monotheistic religion. Is the a word for this kind of ‘lots of gods, but only worship this one’ religion? > > Is there anywhere in the Judeo-Christian scriptures where anybody says that there is only one ‘real’ God, and that all the other ‘gods’ are imaginary. A quick office poll (warning, small sample size) indicates that everybody here thinks that Christianity teaches there is only one God. Are most people confused about a fundamental belief of their faith? Not that they are imaginary, but they are lesser gods. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/205 "2009-04-02T13:27:47Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Not that they are imaginary, but they are lesser gods. That was my point. You are claiming that Christianity teaches that there are ‘lesser gods’ and you and others have cited some scriptural backup, both New and Old Testament. I was asking if there is any scriptural evidence to support the common view, that Christianity teaches the existence of only one god. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/206 "2009-04-02T13:45:00Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Of course not. Teleporters’ power requirements are HUGE, and once every 1674 uses the item to be 'ported explodes. I use a TESSERACT. > > Sheesh. Whew. Hey, let’s use the time machine and go interrogate Moses about this monotheism thing. I can just see it now: (From time machine, over loudspeaker, amid destruction caused by objects attempting to occupy the same space on time machine’s arrival) SKALD: Moses! are there other gods? MOSES: Not if you say there aren’t! SKALD: What? That’s not what I said! I mean are there other gods than God. MOSES: Not if you say there aren’t ! - Once I get off this mountain I’m gonna put a hurt on that golden calf. Can I go now? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/207 "2009-04-02T14:06:09Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Not that they are imaginary, but they are lesser gods. Is George Best one of these? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/208 "2009-04-02T14:07:14Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Whew. > > Hey, let’s use the time machine and go interrogate Moses about this monotheism thing. I can just see it now: > > (From time machine, over loudspeaker, amid destruction caused by objects attempting to occupy the same space on time machine’s arrival) > SKALD: Moses! are there other gods? Moses’s teaching to the people: [QUOTE=Deuteronomy 6:14] Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/209 "2009-04-02T14:07:33Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Through the Holy Spirit I have been taught that the apparent contradictions are not contradictions, but most of the time it is our very very flawed understanding of the world that makes it seem contradictory. > > Not that each and every contradiction was explained, or even pointed out, but enough of them plus revelation of God’s truth of the world has proven to me personally that His Word stands absolutely true (with no contradictions), such a pure truth that we in ourselves can’t understand without His help. [Jedi hand wave]There are no contradictions. You just think there are because you don’t understand what God really meant. You know this because God told you this. Move along.[/Jhw] ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/210 "2009-04-02T14:09:30Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Is George Best one of these? Yes, Said by the Lord God to men [QUOTE=PS 82:6] "I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/211 "2009-04-02T14:13:33Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > [Jedi hand wave]There are no contradictions. You just think there are because you don’t understand what God really meant. You know this because God told you this. Move along.[/Jhw] This came over time, it is not something that was revealed at once, as such it’s something that you will have to seek out. So don’t move along, but you in kindergartner in your walk with Jesus will eventually learn algebra, but first you need to learn if Joe has a penny and Grace has a penny and Joe gives his penny to Grace, how many pennies does Grace have? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/212 "2009-04-02T14:16:30Z")
> [@C3](#): > > Small nitpick, since it’s been used twice by two different posters… > > A “moonbat” is a crazy leftie. > > A “wingnut” is a crazy rightie. > > Birthers are wingnuts, not moonbats. Interesting. But what to make of Michelle Bachman, who’s batshit ? Is she a subset of the lefties, or… ? (as a side note, while I enjoy kanicbird’s utter nuttery and his uncanny ability to make me go WHAT THE FUCK ?! out loud, it’s still kinda tiring the way he turns every thread he’s in into his own. Like the fucking troll he is.) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/213 "2009-04-02T14:16:32Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Is George Best one of these? What about Pete Best? Is he also bigger than Jesus? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/214 "2009-04-02T14:28:56Z")
The crack isn’t helping. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/215 "2009-04-02T14:30:21Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Is the[re] a word for this kind of ‘lots of gods, but only worship this one’ religion? Yes: **henotheism**. > [@Merriam-Webster Online](#): > > the worship of one god without denying the existence of other gods ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/216 "2009-04-02T14:37:20Z")
Missed the edit window, but I forgot to mention [**monolatry**](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolatrism) above, which is slightly different (and probably more relevant here). ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/217 "2009-04-02T14:38:35Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Yes, Said by the Lord God to men > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by PS 82:6 > > "I said, ‘You are “gods”; > > you are all sons of the Most High.’ Are think you are the Most High if you actually believe this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/218 "2009-04-02T14:43:51Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yes: **henotheism**. I thought that was the belief that Henny Youngman was God? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/219 "2009-04-02T14:48:33Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > What about Pete Best? Is he also bigger than Jesus? No, Pete Best played with the Beatles for a while. “Bigger Than Jesus” was a hit album for the B-Sharps, and Best never played with them. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/220 "2009-04-02T14:55:58Z")
As honored as I would be, I really don’t encourage people to practice **Hentortheism**. The pressure of it all is just outrageous. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=12)