# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/241 "2009-04-02T16:39:39Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > (as a side note, while I enjoy kanicbird’s utter nuttery and his uncanny ability to make me go WHAT THE FUCK ?! out loud, it’s still kinda tiring the way he turns every thread he’s in into his own. Like the fucking troll he is.) And it’s tiring that people let him. There have been a number of threads that had the potential of being interesting discussions that ended up being The **Kanicbird** Show! Starring… **kanicbird**! All **kanicbird** , all the time! Enough, I say. I know, I know - “you don’t have to open/read the threads!” But many intelligent interesting doper posts get mixed in with the utter and complete crazy, and I feel like I might miss something actually, you know, intelligent. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/242 "2009-04-02T16:41:34Z")
Seeing as 1950-odd is pre-crisis, what if he was born in Hawaii _on Earth-2_? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/243 "2009-04-02T16:45:48Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Not that they are imaginary, but they are lesser gods. Are their children deaf? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/244 "2009-04-02T16:50:11Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > It’s possible, demons do come into the world as people, such as Judas did, though they would not know they were demons, but just have the nature of a demon, again just like Judas. > > Also IIRC Hawaii was part of the US when Obama was born, the question if Obama was born in the US or not. > > If Obama is a demon, and not born in the US, again the power would shift to heavenly rulers, who may or may not give that authority to Obama (as opposed to use it themselves), it would be their choice if God allows it. You do realize that you are so stupid that there’s nothing stupid enough to compare you to. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/245 "2009-04-02T16:56:11Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Seeing as 1950-odd is pre-crisis, what if he was born in Hawaii _on Earth-2_? The histories of all the Earths were merged into one. Don’t believe what you read in _Infinite Crisis_; that was all a vicious lie. An imaginary story, you might say. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/246 "2009-04-02T17:20:02Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > :: Deep breath :: He was unquestionably born in the U.S. The only people who are questioning this are crazy. Do you understand this, and do you understand he has produced both a birth certificate and a newspaper announcement proving he was born in Hawaii? **Marley23** , if you think that logic, facts and things like, oh I don’t know, shit that actually happens here in the real world, are going to fight their way through “demons do come into the world as people” and “If Obama is a demon … the power would shift to heavenly rulers, who may or may not give that authority to Obama (as opposed to use it themselves), it would be their choice if God allows it” … then you’re higher than \*\*Kanicbird \*\*is. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/247 "2009-04-02T17:21:14Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Moses’s teaching to the people: Deuteronomy 6:14 > Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; Yay, so [if I actually worshiped Baal] you would be forced to admit that I was actually worshiping a VALID GOD, because by this little quote, Moses himself determined that the gods of the surrounding tribes were actually VALID GODS and not the modern christians ‘fallen angels’/demons. So we have here a case of a god that was being possessive, and didn’t want his worshipers following another equal god … talk about p\e \i\s\Worshipper envy. So ‘my’ god is equally valid as your god, no mater what I happen to worship. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/248 "2009-04-02T17:24:12Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What if he was born in the US but is actually a _fish_? Don’t be stupid. There are no BLACK fishmen. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/249 "2009-04-02T17:36:36Z")
Don’t blame me, I voted for lizard people. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/250 "2009-04-02T17:36:41Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Yay, so [if I actually worshiped Baal] you would be forced to admit that I was actually worshiping a VALID GOD, because by this little quote, Moses himself determined that the gods of the surrounding tribes were actually VALID GODS and not the modern christians ‘fallen angels’/demons. > > So we have here a case of a god that was being possessive, and didn’t want his worshipers following another equal god … talk about p\e > \i\s\Worshipper envy. > So ‘my’ god is equally valid as your god, no mater what I happen to worship. Yes Baal is still around, IMHO Baal is worshiped by promiscuity and abortions. You are free to worship that god if you wish. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/251 "2009-04-02T17:37:43Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > And since he was born in the US, all of your speculation is pointless and completely unfounded in fact. Also, demonic blackmail is not a useful way of looking at anything. For all we know, a demon blackmailed you into saying that. So anything you say might be suspect. Of course, anything I say will be suspect as well, as I could also find myself currently being blackmailed by demons. Then again, anyone could be. I think we’re in trouble. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/252 "2009-04-02T17:43:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > :: Deep breath :: He was unquestionably born in the U.S. The only people who are questioning this are crazy. Do you understand this, and do you understand he has produced both a birth certificate and a newspaper announcement proving he was born in Hawaii? Where you there in Hawaii when Obama was born and witnessed it? Or are you just going on information provided by men? If the second then I can come up with men that will provide the information Obama was born in Kenya (or wherever). Do you want to have a vote on it, does the majority declare what is the truth? If that is the case the world would still be flat. Do you believe every certificate of live birth is 100% true and they can not be faked? Please tell us if you know. Even if the certificate of live birth is genuine, does that prove that Obama was born in the US? Even by man’s standards no it does not, as CoLB is available to those born outside the US, and above that is we have the truth of the matter that God knows. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/253 "2009-04-02T17:51:17Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Yes Baal is still around, IMHO Baal is worshiped by promiscuity and abortions. You are free to worship that god if you wish. Really? Score! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/254 "2009-04-02T17:53:13Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Really? Score! So…by using birth control successfully you’re actually worshiping Baal incorrectly? Huh. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/255 "2009-04-02T18:00:02Z")
**Kanic** - I’m just _guessing_ you never had any deep-seated concerns about any other presidents having been born outside the U.S. and covering it up, and actually being demons that transferred governmental power to heaven or its evil henchmen. Help me understand why that is. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/256 "2009-04-02T18:00:13Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Where you there in Hawaii when Obama was born and witnessed it? Or are you just going on information provided by men? If the second then I can come up with men that will provide the information Obama was born in Kenya (or wherever). Do you want to have a vote on it, does the majority declare what is the truth? If that is the case the world would still be flat. Do you believe every certificate of live birth is 100% true and they can not be faked? Please tell us if you know. Even if the certificate of live birth is genuine, does that prove that Obama was born in the US? Even by man’s standards no it does not, as CoLB is available to those born outside the US, and above that is we have the truth of the matter that God knows. I am not going by information provided by men. I have had an officially-certified divine revelation that Obama was born in Hawaii. Are you happy now? ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/257 "2009-04-02T18:00:31Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Where you there in Hawaii when Obama was born and witnessed it? Or are you just going on information provided by men? If the second then I can come up with men that will provide the information Obama was born in Kenya (or wherever). Do you want to have a vote on it, does the majority declare what is the truth? If that is the case the world would still be flat. Do you believe every certificate of live birth is 100% true and they can not be faked? Please tell us if you know. Even if the certificate of live birth is genuine, does that prove that Obama was born in the US? Even by man’s standards no it does not, as CoLB is available to those born outside the US, and above that is we have the truth of the matter that God knows. Where you there in Bethlehem when Jesus was born and witnessed it? Or are you just going on information provided by men? If the second then I can come up with men that will provide the information Jesus was born in Hollywood (or wherever). Do you want to have a vote on it, does the majority declare what is the truth? If that is the case the world would still be flat. Do you believe every certificate of live birth is 100% true and they can not be faked? Please tell us if you know. Even if the certificate of live birth is genuine, does that prove that Jesus was born in Bethlehem? Even by man’s standards no it does not, and above that is we have the truth of the matter that God knows. Good Grief. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/258 "2009-04-02T18:03:12Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I can come up with men that will provide the information Obama was born in Kenya (or wherever). Please do so. > [@](#): > > Do you want to have a vote on it, does the majority declare what is the truth? The people with facts and documentation on their side do win the argument, yes. > [@](#): > > Do you believe every certificate of live birth is 100% true and they can not be faked? Yes, that is the presumption until found otherwise. Which, as you know, is the case here. > [@](#): > > Even if the certificate of live birth is genuine, does that prove that Obama was born in the US? Yes. > [@](#): > > the truth of the matter that God knows. If even God knows you’re a friggin’ nutbar, what would it take for you to face it yourself? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/259 "2009-04-02T18:10:43Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Yes Baal is still around, IMHO Baal is worshiped by promiscuity and abortions. You are free to worship that god if you wish. > [@Miller](#): > > Really? Score! Bartender, bring me a Manhattan. And a woman of pleasing aspect and low morals, while you’re at it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/260 "2009-04-02T18:21:08Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Where you there in Hawaii when Obama was born and witnessed it? Or are you just going on information provided by men? If the second then I can come up with men that will provide the information Obama was born in Kenya (or wherever). Do you want to have a vote on it, does the majority declare what is the truth? If that is the case the world would still be flat. Do you believe every certificate of live birth is 100% true and they can not be faked? Please tell us if you know. Even if the certificate of live birth is genuine, does that prove that Obama was born in the US? Even by man’s standards no it does not, as CoLB is available to those born outside the US, and above that is we have the truth of the matter that God knows. You’re such a coward. Do you even take a shit without wondering about the ramifications between you and your imaginary friend? You waste time blowing invisible kisses at an anus that doesn’t exist and you have the nerve to instruct other people how to think? You are a pathetic child grabbing at apron strings that aren’t even there. Oh also: Baal, lord of hosts and true God, my covenant to you made in the many hoe-bags I hath boned and my baptism done in the blood of the unborn that my own seed hath created. I ask that you heap curses and lamentations upon Kanicbird. Shower him with your wrath! Show him that the lisping carpenter and his impotent father are no match for your greatness. Show Him! Show Him! _Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Baal Babylon wgah’nagl fhtagn_ _Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Baal Babylon wgah’nagl fhtagn_ _Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Baal Babylon wgah’nagl fhtagn_ Ufa. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=14)