# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/301 "2009-04-02T21:26:19Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I’m pretty sure Andrew Jackson had a few nutcases up in arms because they suspected he wasn’t born in the United States. I don’t recall if demons took over that time or not. There were also vague rumors about Chester A. Arthur being born in Canada instead of Vermont. Which, if true, would presumably mean that the civil service system is demonic (and I guess the spoils system is divinely ordained). ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/302 "2009-04-02T21:29:48Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I’m pretty sure Andrew Jackson had a few nutcases up in arms because they suspected he wasn’t born in the United States. I don’t recall if demons took over that time or not. Question: Since all of the first nine presidents were born before the Constitution (as was number 12, Zachary Taylor) were any of them “natural born” citizens? [QUOTE=kanicbird] Ever hear of Planned Parenthood, one of the many temples of Baal, where children are cut up and incinerated. Human sacrifice has been a aspect of worship for a very long time. [/QUOTE] Mmmmm… incinerated children. Crunchy. Who are they being sacrificed to exactly? And is it more horrifying than sacrificing them to the gods of poverty and loveless upbringings? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/303 "2009-04-02T21:36:57Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Question: Since all of the first nine presidents were born before the Constitution (as was number 12, Zachary Taylor) were any of them “natural born” citizens? Yeah, there’s a clause in the constitution that dealt with that: “No person except a natural born Citizen, _or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution_, shall be eligible to the Office of President” But we’re not talking logic here, so it’s moot. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/304 "2009-04-02T21:44:12Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Where you there in Hawaii when Obama was born and witnessed it? Or are you just going on information provided by men? If the second then I can come up with men that will provide the information Obama was born in Kenya (or wherever). Do you want to have a vote on it, does the majority declare what is the truth? If that is the case the world would still be flat. Do you believe every certificate of live birth is 100% true and they can not be faked? Please tell us if you know. Even if the certificate of live birth is genuine, does that prove that Obama was born in the US? Even by man’s standards no it does not, as CoLB is available to those born outside the US, and above that is we have the truth of the matter that God knows. OK, so unless you were there, NO candidate is a US citizen … the caucasionness [is that even a word?] of both parents is no surety of american citizenship, I saw an aweful lot of pasty white people all over Europe in the various trips I have made there. Heck, I know canadians from Ontario that speak english just like an american as they watch american tv all the time and can supress the ‘eh’ … and they are pasty white also. I know, McCain is not a citizen, you were not there to see him born … it must have been canadian tourists dropping a sprog in Panama and FAKING american citizenship … and good old dubya Bush must be a really pasty white wetback from Mexico, his parents snuck over the border and she dropped him in a hospital in Texas just to claim american citizenship. What the fuck WOULD you be willing to accept as proof? I doubt a baptismal certificate would work, that priest is a tool of the devil … and obviously every employee in the health and government of Hawaii is a demon or hagridden by one … and short of a time machine to pop you back there, according to the twaddle you keep spouting nothing will prove to you that he is legit. Did you ever think that you are demon - deluded and you are tricked into thinking it is god? ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/305 "2009-04-02T21:54:48Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Ever hear of Planned Parenthood, one of the many temples of Baal, where children are cut up and incinerated. Human sacrifice has been a aspect of worship for a very long time. Rather odd, when I visited when I was pregnant with my first, I got medical care, pre-natal vitamins and a bunch of vouchers to be used for rides to the clinic for my checkups, a consult with 2 different birthing classes [lamaze and a more traditional midwife] and a couple books on pregnancy and childbirth, and some information on parenting classes. Other visits got me care for assorted stuff, pap smears, regular gyn checkups and a referral to an ob/gyn in a different city when I was going to move to get closer to a new job. I must have missed the altar and crematory. Dang, it just wasnt on the facility tour. I should remember to complain if I ever get back there. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/306 "2009-04-02T22:04:36Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Who are they being sacrificed to exactly? And is it more horrifying than sacrificing them to the gods of poverty and loveless upbringings? Actually those are the same god, the lovelessness in our society, especially towards some children are a direct result of abortion. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/307 "2009-04-02T22:06:50Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Mmmmm… incinerated children. Crunchy. Who are they being sacrificed to exactly? And is it more horrifying than sacrificing them to the gods of poverty and loveless upbringings? I think we’re set on Baal for the time being, but there’s no shortage of gods relying on blood sacrifice should you wish to use your trip to Planned Parenthood for some other religious purpose. The Incan ones were of course pretty big on it, but as I understand were working on a quantity \> quality basis, so unless your gal is having octuplets, you’d probably just disappoint them. On the other hand, gods such as Odin or the Celtic ones were a bit more specific, and wanted tough guys as sacrifices, kings even. And then there’s YHVH who used to be all about the fattened calves - I’m sure a fattened foetus would do in a pinch. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/308 "2009-04-02T22:09:19Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Divine revelation, but I really don’t care where he was born as God will provide for me no matter what demon rules this country. I think there is enough evidence that suggests that Obama was not born in the US to make the scenario that humans have lost total control of the presidency a real (but perhaps remote, perhaps not) possibility. What sort of form would this divine revelation take and how do you plan on ensuring that it is divine and not Baal or one of his mates? Please remember, God saying “it is me, God” wouldn’t count because, between you and me, Baal would say the exact same thing. Did you get divine revelation about the other presidents or did you just assume that they were US citizens? How are you sure that the US hasn’t had Baal (or one of his mates) in power for the previous two terms? Was that divine revelation? If so, how are you sure that it was divine and now Baal (or one of his mates)? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/309 "2009-04-02T22:11:25Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Actually those are the same god, the lovelessness in our society, especially towards some children are a direct result of abortion. Actually I think you’ll find that it is a direct result of the flouridation of the water supply. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/310 "2009-04-02T22:23:13Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > I’m holding out until God tells me. Of course it may really be a demon pretending to be God. The only way to tell for sure is that God always tells the truth and demons always lie. Therefore, if you ask “If I asked you yesterday what road leads to town, what would you have said?” you get the right answer, no matter what. No you don’t. It would take a non idiot about a second to spot the flaw in that test. I hope you are just fucking around, if not you are clearly kanikbird stupid. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/311 "2009-04-02T22:25:21Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > What sort of form would this divine revelation take and how do you plan on ensuring that it is divine and not Baal or one of his mates? Please remember, God saying “it is me, God” wouldn’t count because, between you and me, Baal would say the exact same thing. That would be up to God > [@](#): > > Did you get divine revelation about the other presidents or did you just assume that they were US citizens? I had no reason to entertain the question. > [@](#): > > How are you sure that the US hasn’t had Baal (or one of his mates) in power for the previous two terms? Why does this matter? The issue that if Obama was not born in the US, the presidency is now being run by demons as Obama would have no authority. If Obama is a demon is a separate issue. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/312 "2009-04-02T22:26:32Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I had no reason to entertain the question. Prove any other president was born in the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/313 "2009-04-02T22:28:28Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > There were also vague rumors about Chester A. Arthur being born in Canada instead of Vermont. Which, if true, would presumably mean that the civil service system is demonic (and I guess the spoils system is divinely ordained). Yup. > [@](#): > > The LORD said to Moses, “You and Eleazar the priest and the family heads of the community are to count all the people and animals that were captured. Divide the spoils between the soldiers who took part in the battle and the rest of the community.” – [Numbers 31:25-27](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2031:25-27;&version=31;) ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/314 "2009-04-02T22:38:45Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Prove any other president was born in the U.S. Why does this matter? If they were not they were just figureheads and control would be shifted to demonic rulers. Any hard violation would accomplish this, I believe a woman president may also violate this. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/315 "2009-04-02T22:44:51Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Why does this matter? If they were not they were just figureheads and control would be shifted to demonic rulers. Any hard violation would accomplish this… You don’t think it matters that the country may have been under the rule of demons for, oh, a couple centuries, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/316 "2009-04-02T22:49:22Z")
> [@cwthree](#): > > You don’t think it matters that the country may have been under the rule of demons for, oh, a couple centuries, maybe? They have always had their hand in it, the question is if humans have totally taken their hands off the controls. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/317 "2009-04-02T22:54:42Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Ever hear of Planned Parenthood, one of the many temples of Baal, where children are cut up and incinerated. Human sacrifice has been a aspect of worship for a very long time. Has Planned Parenthood claimed tax-exempt status on religious grounds? Seems to me the whole “temple of Baal” thing would make it a slam-dunk. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/318 "2009-04-02T23:01:14Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I had no reason to entertain the question. And the reason you have to this time is … ? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/319 "2009-04-02T23:02:34Z")
I would seriously pay good money for a peek at **kanicbird** ’s personal Bible. There’s gotta be some GOOD stuff in there. I’m thinking it’s made of LSD-soaked blotter paper. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2009, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/320 "2009-04-02T23:05:46Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > They have always had their hand in it, the question is if humans have totally taken their hands off the controls. So how exactly is “Obama might be controlled by demons” any different to “President George W Bush may be controlled by demons”, “President Bill Clinton may be controlled by demons”, “President George Bush may be controlled by demons” … ? What makes Obama so special that you think this is the one where those demons have maybe finally taken complete control? How do you know that you are not controlled by demons? Personally I think you are either an elaborate joke or seriously mentally ill. Does this mean I am controlled by demons? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=17)