# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/381 "2009-04-03T12:00:31Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > :rolleyes: > > Her name is still: > > Hillary Diane \*\*Rodham \*\*Clinton > > She still kept her original last name. > > BTW this is not odd in many Hispanic countries. So I guess then that for you all females there can not ever be good Christians. If the female insists on holding on to her old identity then she does not get full authority of the new. This lack of full authority is normally viewed as a need to hold onto the old identity harder, when what is needed is to let go and take the authority that one is entitled to. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/382 "2009-04-03T12:02:16Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > A gift of God called distinguishing between the spirits. 1 Cor 12:10 Which going by that verse means you have the power of “speaking in different kinds of tongues”. Så kan du förstå denna eller hur? Jag hoppas eller du kommer att se jättedumt ut. Eller är det bara engelska? Kan du annat språk? Skitsnack, kanske? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/383 "2009-04-03T12:10:52Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Why do you assume that man can change what God made unchangable by man. _ **Dude!** _ It’s like… _\_ I don’t know, man… I guess… I guess as much wood as it \*wants \*to chuck! Heh, what? ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/384 "2009-04-03T12:25:43Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > **I believe it was revealed to me that there are spiritual issues with Obama’s presidency and he may not be president, but a figurehead.** God brought to mind the inauguration which the public one was not valid, and IIRC there were also issues in the private one after. The public one is invalid because there was a need for the second. The physical reason for the error is not important, just that such a swearing in did not happen publicly. This is how spiritual things work, there is a explainable problem, it appears just to be a human mistake, and appears to be dismissible, and many will claim it to be a non-issue, those people are the ones being used to hide the spiritual. Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher. All is vanity and a chasing after the wind. Romans 13: 1-2 : Let **every** soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and\* they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation\*. That means Obama. And that means you. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/385 "2009-04-03T12:33:06Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > If the female insists on holding on to her old identity then she does not get full authority of the new. This lack of full authority is normally viewed as a need to hold onto the old identity harder, when what is needed is to let go and take the authority that one is entitled to. I hope that you never inflict yourself on any woman. I wouldn’t want them to lower their authority to your level. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/386 "2009-04-03T12:48:03Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > I hope that you never inflict yourself on any woman. I wouldn’t want them to lower their authority to your level. Isn’t Kanicbird actually a woman? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/387 "2009-04-03T12:49:59Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher. All is vanity and a chasing after the wind. That preacher should study the Word a bit more IMHO. > [@](#): > > Romans 13: 1-2 : Let **every** soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and\* they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation\*. > > That means Obama. And that means you. God grants authority as He see’s fit. This included authority to demons. If God has placed a demon in authority over you, as it appears to me He has placed a demon in authority over Obama in regards to the presidency, then that demon will rule over that aspect of your life. Though we are to submit to legit authorities, we are to trust in the Lord, not man, not demon. It is the Lord who will deliver the believer. > [@](#): > > Psalm 20:7 > Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/388 "2009-04-03T12:51:10Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Isn’t Kanicbird actually a woman? No, I’m a man ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/389 "2009-04-03T12:55:37Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Isn’t Kanicbird actually a woman? In that case… I have nothing. ETA – Okay, previous post back in effect. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/390 "2009-04-03T12:58:18Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > It is the Lord who will deliver the believer. In UPS I Trust. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/391 "2009-04-03T13:00:04Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > That preacher should study the Word a bit more IMHO. I have studied scripture, as anyone who has been here for a while can tell you. I spent 27 years in a tradtional, fundamentalist, Southern Baptist family. My father was ordained a minister in that church and I taught Sunday School for ten years. Unfortunately, almost none of what you are saying is scriptural. You’re making up theology as you go along and you’re trying to use scripture to rationalize your dislike of the current government. It’s idiotic, it’s shameful, and it’s not what God gave you scripture for and I think in your heart, you know it. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/392 "2009-04-03T13:02:55Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > In that case… I have nothing. > > ETA – Okay, previous post back in effect. What difference does this make. The truth is what is. Why are you judging me based on my gender? The message is consistent. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/393 "2009-04-03T13:06:13Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > I have studied scripture, as anyone who has been here for a while can tell you. I spent 27 years in a tradtional, fundamentalist, Southern Baptist family. My father was ordained a minister in that church and I taught Sunday School for ten years. > > Unfortunately, almost none of what you are saying is scriptural. You’re making up theology as you go along and you’re trying to use scripture to rationalize your dislike of the current government. It’s idiotic, it’s shameful, and it’s not what God gave you scripture for and I think in your heart, you know it. Considering that he apparently doesn’t recognize Ecclesiastes and isn’t even aware that the “narrator” of Ecclesiastes is the Preacher in question (he seems to think you meant some present-day preacher), it’s obvious that he doesn’t know the Bible as well as he pretends to. Of course, I’ve told him explicitly in a former thread that his beliefs are about as extrascriptural as you can get, and heretical from pretty much ANY Christian denomination’s standpoint. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/394 "2009-04-03T13:07:53Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > That preacher should study the Word a bit more IMHO. “That preacher” is IN the Word. It’s the Preacher, the “narrator” of Ecclesiastes. Which is a book of the Bible that you apparently don’t recognize, as what **Eutychus** posted is a verse from that book. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/395 "2009-04-03T13:08:06Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > In UPS I Trust. Woe to you Ô Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the Beast overnight express because he knows the time is short. Let him who hath understanding reckon the postage stamp of the Beast for it has a weird area code : its number is six hundred and sixty six. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/396 "2009-04-03T13:08:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Hillary’s middle name is Diane? Huh. I did not know that. Me neither. See, this thread has been educational despite **kanicbird**. Go Dope!!! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/397 "2009-04-03T13:13:56Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Considering that he apparently doesn’t recognize Ecclesiastes and isn’t even aware that the “narrator” of Ecclesiastes is the Preacher in question (he seems to think you meant some present-day preacher), it’s obvious that he doesn’t know the Bible as well as he pretends to. Of course, I’ve told him explicitly in a former thread that his beliefs are about as extrascriptural as you can get, and heretical from pretty much ANY Christian denomination’s standpoint. That’s what happens when you post things out of context. Again God looks at the heart, the intent of your message. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/398 "2009-04-03T13:15:57Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > I have studied scripture, as anyone who has been here for a while can tell you. I spent 27 years in a tradtional, fundamentalist, Southern Baptist family. My father was ordained a minister in that church and I taught Sunday School for ten years. > > Unfortunately, almost none of what you are saying is scriptural. You’re making up theology as you go along and you’re trying to use scripture to rationalize your dislike of the current government. It’s idiotic, it’s shameful, and it’s not what God gave you scripture for and I think in your heart, you know it. May Jesus bless you. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/399 "2009-04-03T13:19:04Z")
> [@Who\_me\_1](#): > > In UPS I Trust. What can brown do for you? ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/400 "2009-04-03T13:21:34Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > May Jesus bless you. And you, but this isn’t a blessings board, this is a board for fighting ignorance. You questioned my qualifications for participating in this discussion and I gave you mine. What are yours besides “God told me so.” Because here, that’s not good enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=21)