# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/401 "2009-04-03T13:25:11Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > And you, but this isn’t a blessings board, this is a board for fighting ignorance. You questioned my qualifications for participating in this discussion and I gave you mine. What are yours besides “God told me so.” Because here, that’s not good enough. Is it good enough anywhere ? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/402 "2009-04-03T13:27:20Z")
At the Vatican? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/403 "2009-04-03T13:29:36Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > And you, but this isn’t a blessings board, this is a board for fighting ignorance. You questioned my qualifications for participating in this discussion and I gave you mine. What are yours besides “God told me so.” Because here, that’s not good enough. I didn’t realize I questioned your qualification, but since you mentioned it, you claim is based on man, mine is based on God. You claim association with a man made religious institution, I claim nothing but the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. The way to fight ignorance is with the truth of the Word of God. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/404 "2009-04-03T13:34:02Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The way to fight ignorance is with the truth of the Word of God. That’s what **Eutychus** is doing. The fact that you didn’t recognize - and actively disagreed with - one of the more famous bits of the Word of God is rather telling. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/405 "2009-04-03T13:36:08Z")
[quote = kanicbird] “Where do you think Aslan got the idea from? Yes you can call God Aslan if you wish, as long as in your heart you mean what we call God He knows.” [/quote] You don’t have any scriptural backing for your idea, so you say “Where do you think Aslan\* got the idea from?”. Okay, fine. You are just making shit up\*\*. \*Lewis, by the way, not Aslan. Aslan’s the talking Lion. Using this analogy, you would be Shift, the bad monkey, or possibly the donkey in the lion suit. There are dwarves, but they are atheists. I don’t think there are any trolls in the book. Sorry. \*\* which I suppose is in the spirit of the thread title, although manifest as another hijack. It’s too bad, really. If you were as crazy as you seem, medication might help, but apparently you’re just a troll, monkey, donkey-in-a-lion suit. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/406 "2009-04-03T13:36:54Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I didn’t realize I questioned your qualification, but since you mentioned it, you claim is based on man, mine is based on God. You claim association with a man made religious institution, I claim nothing but the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. > > The way to fight ignorance is with the truth of the Word of God. Ah. Your post is your cite, then. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/407 "2009-04-03T13:40:30Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > That’s what **Eutychus** is doing. The fact that you didn’t recognize - and actively disagreed with - one of the more famous bits of the Word of God is rather telling. I’d betcha dollars to donuts that he doesn’t even know who Eutychus was. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/408 "2009-04-03T13:48:22Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I didn’t realize I questioned your qualification, but since you mentioned it, you claim is based on man, mine is based on God. You claim association with a man made religious institution, I claim nothing but the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit. > > The way to fight ignorance is with the truth of the Word of God. You can claim whatever you like. "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. " (1 Corinthians 11:13-14) That what scripture is all about; so that Christians would have some standard to refer to if they did meet people they thought might be unqualified or preaching nonsense. Your preaching does not meet up to the standards of scripture and by your own theology, has to be tossed out. Hoist by your own petard, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/409 "2009-04-03T13:49:30Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > No you don’t. It would take a non idiot about a second to spot the flaw in that test. I hope you are just fucking around, if not you are clearly kanikbird stupid. Yes, I was fucking around. That was an attempt at humour through a collision between dime-store spiritualism and an elementary school riddle. I was not actually trying to make a functioning logic puzzle. It obviously failed. We apologize for the inconvenience. Also, I take great offense at being called a gibbering, hateful, possibly insane, asshole with the mental acuity of a monkey (that had been dropped on its head when it was a small monkey) who seems to get his rocks off by annoying others with third-rate theology divinely revealed through conversations with imaginary sky people, which must be feared or worshipped or something, depending on what medication he has or has not been taking. That is what you meant by kanicbird stupid, right? For this grave insult, you can expect a visit from Cthulhu or one of his minions (we’re on good terms). If you want to avoid unimaginable eternal suffering, please deliver 1000 pounds of gold, 2 dozen virgins wearing only whipped cream & electrical tape, and a wooly rhinocerous. You have 10 hours. (The preceding is also a joke) And Obama is the goddamned president of the fucking United States. No joke. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/410 "2009-04-03T14:05:07Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > And Obama is the \*\*goddamned \*\*president of the fucking United States. No joke. But… but that’s what the troll’s been saying all along ! ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/411 "2009-04-03T14:27:46Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Which going by that verse means you have the power of “speaking in different kinds of tongues”. > > Så kan du förstå denna eller hur? Jag hoppas eller du kommer att se jättedumt ut. > > Eller är det bara engelska? Kan du annat språk? Skitsnack, kanske? I well , I guess the whole languages thing has failed him. I wouldn’t put too much faith in your demon-detecting powers either, Kanicbird. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/412 "2009-04-03T14:31:37Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Actually I think you’ll find that it is a direct result of the flouridation of the water supply. Nonsense! I blame vaccination. > [@amanset](#): > > Så kan du förstå denna eller hur? Jag hoppas eller du kommer att se jättedumt ut. > > Eller är det bara engelska? Kan du annat språk? Skitsnack, kanske? ¿Que dijiste? This thread is fun. And it keeps **kanicbird** contained here. We don’t want him meandering in other fora, confusing our guests, humping people’s legs or peeing on their shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/413 "2009-04-03T14:39:36Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > The way to fight ignorance is with the truth of the Word of God. You know, you would get further if you actually tried that. I’m not anti-religious, I’m just anti-you. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/414 "2009-04-03T14:51:21Z")
> [@Eutychus](#): > > I’d betcha dollars to donuts that he doesn’t even know who Eutychus was. Someone else who fell on their head from a high window? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/415 "2009-04-03T15:20:57Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Someone else who fell on their head from a high window? Careful saying that, you can get warned by an Administrator for bringing it up!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/416 "2009-04-03T15:35:07Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > God grants authority as He see’s fit. This included authority to demons. If God has placed a demon in authority over you… then that demon will rule over that aspect of your life. Let’s see. Let us accept, for the sake of the argument: There is an all-powerful supernatural being (G-d). There are other, less powerful supernatural beings (demons). G-d may delegate authority to another being. Therefore, G-d may delegate authority to a demon. Therefore, that demon is an agent of G-d. Therefore, doing that demon’s bidding is the equivalent of doing G-d’s bidding. Fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/417 "2009-04-03T15:37:54Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > it appears to me He has placed a demon in authority over Obama in regards to the presidency No “if” that time. Okay, what makes you think so? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/418 "2009-04-03T15:47:17Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > No “if” that time. > > Okay, what makes you think so? Does a stupid, gullible, frightened child need a rational reason to think anything? He thinks it because it’s easier than facing the real world. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/419 "2009-04-03T16:14:15Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > In marriage spiritually the feminine submits to the masculine and ceases to be itself. In exchange for this the female gets a new identity and full authority of the family name. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > :rolleyes: > > Her name is still: > > Hillary Diane \*\*Rodham \*\*Clinton > > She still kept her original last name. > > BTW this is not odd in many Hispanic countries. So I guess then that for you all females there can not ever be good Christians. > [@kanicbird](#): > > If the female insists on holding on to her old identity then she does not get full authority of the new. This lack of full authority is normally viewed as a need to hold onto the old identity harder, when what is needed is to let go and take the authority that one is entitled to. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: But that answer just shows how deft you are in avoiding dealing with the fact that you were wrong, you are indeed dismissing the Hispanic nations that expect the women will keep their past identities, just like the males, and in the case of the current secretary of state this is only “problem” of your own creation. What you are saying that regarding on needs to be done to solve that “problem”, is “to let go and take the authority that one is entitled to”; however, that is not needed at all to have a happy family or an effective life. The spiritual component does not depend on the name you choose. Of course things like that only show that your version of god and theology make no sense at all, but that is not a surprise really. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/420 "2009-04-03T16:28:04Z")
Correction: But that answer just shows how deft you are in avoid dealing with the fact that you were wrong, you are indeed dismissing the Hispanic nations that expect the women will keep their past identities, just like the males, and in the case of the current secretary of state this is only a “problem” of your own creation. What you are saying, regarding what needs to be done to solve that “problem”, is “to let go and take the authority that one is entitled to”; however, that is not needed at all to have a happy family or an effective life. The spiritual component does not depend on the name you choose. Of course things like that only show that your version of god and theology make no sense at all, but that is not a surprise really. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=22)