# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/481 "2009-04-06T12:30:03Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > It needed more horses (which itself is Rhymer family slang for a work of art you dislike for no reason the person dislking it can articulate). You must be big fans of George Stubbs. > [@Jane\_Elliot](#): > > Some say **kanicbird** has been touched by God. “Can you show me on the doll where God touched you?” ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/482 "2009-04-06T12:41:00Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Then again, if the Bible is the word of G-d, and so much of the New Testament reeks of the stories of Horus and Odin, that must mean G-d is a plagiarist, so maybe he’s not so picky about the footnotes. Odin, I’ve no idea, but the Horus comparisons are incorrect. Horus was not born of a virgin, did not die and was resurrected 3 days later. Zeitgeist has a considerable amount of responsibility for continuing these comparisons. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/483 "2009-04-06T13:27:27Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > snark aside: **kanicbird** , WHAT \*objective proof \*would satisfy you that Obama IS who he says he is? IS there ANY objective proof that would? Obama’s voter registration card. Marked ‘Republican’. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/484 "2009-04-06T14:05:44Z")
As I see it, there are three possible things **kanicbird** can be: A prophet, a loony, or a troll. A prophet would have been eager to tell us the details of his revelation (never mind that he would have chosen the SDMB to tell the world about it). There hasn’t been much time since he was asked, sure, but it doesn’t look promising. A genuine loony wouldn’t even have noticed the questioning and negative responses to what he said, but would keep on declaiming. Again using the evidence of his lack of recent response, that looks doubtful too. Which leaves troll. If he’s just been playing us in all of these threads, I’m not completely happy about that, but the results have certainly been entertaining. Perhaps this is one troll we should indulge? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/485 "2009-04-06T15:48:26Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Really? What if he ever ges the opportunity to poison the mind of a child? I mean, if we could keep him and his lunatic ravings sequestered in the SDMB, it’s all good; but we don’t want that kind of crazy in the general population. > > Well, not any more than we can help. Unless you’re advocating locking him up until his genitals cease functioning, you can’t prevent him from fathering a child. And unless you advocate some state official waiting eagerly to seize that child if kanic doesn’t parent it acceptably, you can’t prevent him from raising said child. Besides, we’d don’t (or at least I don’t) have any idea what kanicbird does away from the SDMB. I’ll accept the possibility that his behaviour here is solely for his and our amusement. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/486 "2009-04-06T16:36:31Z")
_…in which it came to pass, **JRDelirious** finds again a point of contact between **kanicbird** ’s astonishingly astounding amazing position and the OP (remember the OP?)…_ > [@kanicbird](#): > > Once I have been given divine revelation there is no worldly ‘proof’ that would suffice. And I have been given that to the extent that there are major spiritual issues and Obama does not have full authority. I don’t know however if he is totally a figurhead, or still has some authority. IOW, if we ever find the right wing’s much-vaunted “original handwritten” record-of-birth paper and that gets physically authenticated beyond a reasonable doubt, a large chunk of the Obama Citizenship Wingnuts would be satisfied and go away, but **kanicbird** will still have “major spiritual issues”. And THAT, fellow Dopers, setting aside for one moment the easily-ridiculed supernatural factor, is what is behind **SOME** of the wackier OCWs’ insistence. That segment _can’t believe it’s possible that THIS GUY really got to BE President of the US_, fair and square, So Help Him God. Be it because of his sociocultural background, or his ideology (you just know all Real Americans are conservative). It just is completely inconsistent with their conception of reality, it doesn’t fit how a clean, fair process should turn out in their view of the universe. It is _wrong for this guy to be in that position, because_ they can just feel it in their bones\*\*, he will misrule America as the agent of something nefarious (demons? gay socialist illegal aliens? Bond Fund Managers? no difference) and it should have been obvious to anyone. So it must be that he is not legitimate, lest it be claimed that America really _wanted_ what he’s bringing. Either his election was invalid to start with (not really a citizen; illegal aliens voted fraudulently; someone at Diebold typed + instead of - when programming the vote machine 😉 , whatever…) or he is under the control of hidden powers and the people were fooled as to his True Agenda. Now… to you and to me, it would seem like the default explanation for any President who is putting forth policies we consider disastrous, is that as a candidate he succesfully seduced the voters by making them feel he was either “a regular doofus you’d have a beer with” or “a highly inspirational, intelligent and sexy leader with new ideas”, only to then once in power take his cues from the buddies who got him elected, be their names Cheney and Rove or Pelosi and Emmanuel, and rule to favor the interests of supporters and mentors who stay quietly behind the scenes… _Like virtually every one of the bloody bastards has ever done since living memory!!_ There’s no need to assemble a Dan Brown-style plot. _It’s the way the system IS. The other guy WILL establish the agenda of HIS circle, contrary to what YOU/I think is best. **DUH!** _ That does not mean nefarious machinations, it means the voters sometimes DO want something other than what you/I offer them… or just in all good faith vote for the “wrong” guy. Our lot then is to lobby and campaign to oppose and replace the bad rulers in due time, and in the meantime demand that they at least show respect for rule of law and proper procedures and implement their agendas w/o committing any major crimes or ruining the country. …but it’s so much more satisfying to believe you are bravely facing a conspiracy of power… ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/487 "2009-04-06T18:04:17Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You must be big fans of George Stubbs. Nope. It’s an allusion to a Spenser novel. I started it and my sisters passed it on to their girls. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/488 "2009-04-07T01:27:55Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Unless you’re advocating locking him up until his genitals cease functioning, you can’t prevent him from fathering a child. And unless you advocate some state official waiting eagerly to seize that child if kanic doesn’t parent it acceptably, you can’t prevent him from raising said child. Well, I’m not advocating that, and I never said I did. What I did say is that he’s not exactly a poster boy for how super it is that it’s not done anymore. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/489 "2009-04-07T18:46:49Z")
Kanicbird, I too await your answer to post #462. I suspect I will find it interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/490 "2009-04-07T19:21:53Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > Kanicbird, I too await your answer to post #462. I suspect I will find it interesting. It was written on a popsicle stick. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/491 "2009-04-07T19:39:43Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Ever hear of Planned Parenthood, one of the many temples of Baal, where children are cut up and incinerated. Man, and all this time my checks to the Western Washington Temple of Ba’al have been sent back as undeliverable. Now I know where to send 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/492 "2009-04-08T05:50:32Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > Kanicbird, I too await your answer to post #462. I suspect I will find it interesting. Hell, I still want to hear about his degrees in science. But, y’know, I’m thinkin’ I’m never gonna. ---
**Author:** ![MerryMagdalen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@MerryMagdalen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MerryMagdalen)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/493 "2009-04-08T07:04:12Z")
[QUOTE=Jane Elliot] Some say kanicbird has been touched by God. Some say too hard. [/QUOTE] OMG!? Don’t tell me **kanicbird** is The Stig! ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/494 "2009-04-08T07:28:06Z")
> [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](#): > > Hell, I still want to hear about his degrees in science. But, y’know, I’m thinkin’ I’m never gonna. He got them directly from God, who’s unfortunately not accredited. ---
**Author:** ![OneChance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/74df32/32.png) [@OneChance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneChance)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/495 "2009-04-08T09:08:04Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Nobody contradicted him. Is everybody a coward like me, or do some people agree with this crazy stuff? Maybe nobody cares what he thinks. His opinion of Obama’s citizenship means absolutely nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Paleface](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f19dbf/32.png) [@Paleface](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paleface)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/496 "2009-04-08T19:13:19Z")
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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/497 "2009-04-08T20:19:02Z")
Tell me, **kanicbird,** are you a sect of one, or do your interpretations of Scripture reflect the doctrine of some known denomination? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=24)