# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Black\_Sunshine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce73a5/32.png) [@Black\_Sunshine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Sunshine)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/41 "2009-03-31T20:06:03Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > It wasn’t just “Obama’s election.” We voted for both a president and vice president–Biden’s name was on the ballot too, remember? So if Obama were somehow removed from office, Biden would still be his legal successor. Yeah, but it’s not like we got to choose a VP separately - if I voted for Obama, I **had** to vote for Biden. So Biden’s kinda tainted, too. I don’t want to have this conversation anymore. Even asking “what if?” is making me feel a little hooey. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/42 "2009-03-31T20:09:37Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > So… are you saying that you think his birth certificate is faked? And the state of Hawaii is somehow complicit in a coverup? Both are irrelevant to the main issue, there is the ability to control the president of the US unless this issue can be solved one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/43 "2009-03-31T20:10:29Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > For the people of this country. As I stated above _if_ he was not born in the country, he is easily manipulated unless he would be willing to come clean if pressed. In it’s current state he is a puppet, and that means the person running the country is not visible to the people. > > This sword over Obama’s head has to be removed, even to the point of allowing him to remain pres if he admits he was not born here. It is a very bad situation. It’s unclear that the metaphorical sword exists outside the imaginations of a small handful of nutcases. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/44 "2009-03-31T20:15:25Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Both are irrelevant to the main issue, there is the ability to control the president of the US unless this issue can be solved one way or another. How? It **is** solved. He’s a citizen, he was elected president, he’s in office. Just because some sore losers (Alan Keyes) and moonbat-crazy people (others mentioned above, Alan Keyes again, etc.) love to yap on about how he’s a Kenyan-born/Muslim plant sent to subvert America doesn’t mean it will mean a damned thing as to how this country is run. Some people babble on about how aliens are mutilating our cows but that doesn’t change how the dairy industry functions. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/45 "2009-03-31T20:16:38Z")
[QUOTE=Black Sunshine] So, honestly, what would happen if it were proven that Obama was not a US citizen? Would Biden really be president? [/QUOTE] Yes, Biden would be President. Biden has already been sworn in as Vice President. In the event that Obama were to be deemed unqualified for President. that would enact the Presidential Succession clauses of the Constitution. That means the duly elected and sworn in Vice President would assume office. There is zero ability for Bush to be reinstated. There is zero ability for McCain to be summarily awarded the Presidency on a technicality. [QUOTE=kanicbird] I wish it were proven, out in the open, one way or another, in it’s current state it is a huge problem. [/QUOTE] It is proven, out in the open, that Obama was born in Hawaii and is a U.S. Citizen by birth and is qualitifed to be President. Except to total nutbags. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/46 "2009-03-31T20:17:53Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > It’s unclear that the metaphorical sword exists outside the imaginations of a small handful of nutcases. This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. How this would play out in the physical world, someone somewhere would have proof, that proof will be presented to Obama in one form or another, and to keep it undercover Obama would have to do whatever they wanted. ---
**Author:** ![ChadVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ba0ec/32.png) [@ChadVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChadVader)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/47 "2009-03-31T20:18:17Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > _ **IF** _ Obama was not born in the US he is highly manipulable. Why? Do Kenyans attach brain controlling chips to all their newborns? ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/48 "2009-03-31T20:19:36Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > For the people of this country. As I stated above _if_ he was not born in the country, he is easily manipulated unless he would be willing to come clean if pressed. In it’s current state he is a puppet, and that means the person running the country is not visible to the people. > > This sword over Obama’s head has to be removed, even to the point of allowing him to remain pres if he admits he was not born here. It is a very bad situation. 1. “In it’s current state,” this is hardly a problem at all since the movement has zero credibility. The only way in which it is a problem is that it’s wasting a very small amount of court time. 2. What sword? There is approximately a 0% chance that Obama is not a “real” U.S. citizen. 3. Even if it is a huge deception (and, again, it’s not), what manipulation? Do you think there’s some bureaucrat in Hawaii who helped cover this up who calls the White House every weekend with instructions like, “Make the economic stimulus package come to a total of $700B instead of $800B _if you know what’s good for you_.” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/49 "2009-03-31T20:22:31Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > unless this issue can be solved one way or another. What is the evidence, or even suggestion of the possibility of evidence, to support the notion that it is not solved? You offer nothing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/50 "2009-03-31T20:28:25Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. _speechless_ ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/51 "2009-03-31T20:29:22Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Please show the constitutional requirement that the President must have a doesn’t kick puppies certificate. > > _ **IF** _ Obama was not born in the US he is highly manipulable. That is a really big factor. > > Again ‘if’ IF Obama was: one of the 9/11 conspirators a young-looking Nazi fugitive the Unabomber underage a replicant that guy on the grassy knoll a KGB agent an illegal alien selling military secrets to foreign powers the antichrist guilty of high crimes or misdemeanors he is highly manipulable. That is a really big factor. Again ‘if’ ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/52 "2009-03-31T20:32:35Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: Why, I’d expect nothing less from you. > [@](#): > > If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. Only people born in the U.S. are human? I mean, if “humanity” loses control of the presidency by virtue of Obama not being born in the U.S., does this imply Obama is not human? If there was an amendment ratified tomorrow lifting the “born citizen” requirement, will the U.S. become hell on Earth (or more so)? > [@](#): > > How this would play out in the physical world, someone somewhere would have proof, that proof will be presented to Obama in one form or another, and to keep it undercover Obama would have to do whatever they wanted. Yeah, or he could say “screw you” and get on with being president while the proof-holder faces a laughable years-long trudge through the court system. What kind of “proof” do you think a potential proof-holder could hold? A Kenyan birth certificate? (Heck, with a good quality print shop and a fifty year-old stock of paper, I could crank those out by the boatload.) Testimony from Kenyan witnesses saying they saw the birth? (Nearly fifty years after the fact?) Testimony from Hawaiian witnesses saying they _didn’t_ witness the birth? (Again, nearly fifty years later?) Witnesses who testify they were part of some elaborate conspiracy? What evidence could potentially overcome the already publicly-available evidence? This whole thing is akin to people demanding evidence of moon landings. Even if NASA goes to the trouble and expense of providing it, the moon-hoaxers can effortlessly claim that this new proof is just as fake as the old proof and nothing will be accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/53 "2009-03-31T20:34:09Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. But since Obama was born inside the U.S… QED. That is, we don’t even need to entertain the contrary notion. Or are you talking generally? ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/54 "2009-03-31T20:41:32Z")
Small nitpick, since it’s been used twice by two different posters… A “moonbat” is a crazy leftie. A “wingnut” is a crazy rightie. Birthers are wingnuts, not moonbats. I personally find the most disturbing part of the Birthers’ theory is that they think Obama, in an attempt to silence the only witness to the supposed fraud committed by Obama’s mom, went to Hawaii shortly before the election and killed his own grandmother. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/55 "2009-03-31T20:42:46Z")
> [@ChadVader](#): > > Why? Do Kenyans attach brain controlling chips to all their newborns? Yes. Ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/56 "2009-03-31T20:45:04Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers Like Dick Cheney? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/57 "2009-03-31T20:46:35Z")
> [@LilShieste](#): > > But since Obama was born inside the U.S… QED. That is, we don’t even need to entertain the contrary notion. > > Or are you talking generally? I’m talking generally, if the president, by any name, was not born in the US, that man would not be president, but only a figurehead. It doesn’t matter how large or small the group is who is claiming it: It is what is, if he is not a born US citizen he is not the president, no other factors come into play. It doesn’t matter what can be proven, just what is. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/58 "2009-03-31T20:47:21Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. > > How this would play out in the physical world, someone somewhere would have proof, that proof will be presented to Obama in one form or another, and to keep it undercover Obama would have to do whatever they wanted. It’s time to go back on your meds or have your dosage checked. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/59 "2009-03-31T20:49:02Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I’m talking generally, \ Then, I think you’re in the wrong thread. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/60 "2009-03-31T20:53:31Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I’m talking generally, if the president, by any name, was not born in the US, that man would not be president, but only a figurehead. > > It doesn’t matter how large or small the group is who is claiming it: > > It is what is, if he is not a born US citizen he is not the president, no other factors come into play. It doesn’t matter what can be proven, just what is. Since law does not have the rigidity of physics, I’d say the president is whoever enough of the right people _say_ is president, regardless of any particular words on any particular pieces of paper. If Congress and the Supreme Court say Obama is president, what authority is going to demonstrate otherwise? It’s not like claiming Obama could fly if he jumped off the Lincoln Memorial - that kind of claim gets quickly dispelled by the uncompromising grip of gravity. If America truly was God’s Country, and God existed, I suppose the Hand of God could intervene. So far, no dice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=4)