# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/61 "2009-03-31T20:56:54Z")
I’m not sure the OP’s boss was making stuff up. > [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. This is how it’s done! _Now_ you’re making stuff up! ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/62 "2009-03-31T21:02:02Z")
> [@Black\_Sunshine](#): > > So, honestly, what _would_ happen if it were proven that Obama was not a US citizen? Would Biden really be president? That sounds like even more of a conspiracy theory - that Obama was only elected to get Biden in the door so he could make way for the Reptilians (or whomever). > > Or, would Obama’s election be void somehow? I mean, Biden is only VP because Obama won, right? > > Please note: There is 0% of me which believes this is a possibility - I’m just curious as to what the law would be. Legally and constitutionally, the President and VP are elected separately by the College of Electors, so Biden’s election would still be valid. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/63 "2009-03-31T21:08:29Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. > > How this would play out in the physical world, someone somewhere would have proof, that proof will be presented to Obama in one form or another, and to keep it undercover Obama would have to do whatever they wanted. Gosh, I love you. This is high-grade crazy, even by your remarkable standards. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/64 "2009-03-31T21:08:52Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > It doesn’t matter how large or small the group is who is claiming it: Yes it does. For instance, the group could be zero. Problem solved. Or it could be so small and consist so overwhelmingly of drooling delusional idiots like, well, I’m sure an example will spring to mind, that it might as well be zero. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/65 "2009-03-31T21:18:39Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Yes it does. For instance, the group could be zero. Problem solved. Or it could be so small and consist so overwhelmingly of drooling delusional idiots like, well, I’m sure an example will spring to mind, that it might as well be zero. No even if the group is zero, no person even thinks Obama was born outside the US, but if Obama was not born in the US the problem remains, he would only be a figurehead not the president. The problem is the law leaves no room for dispute in this matter, if he was born outside the US he can not be president. It is a black and white issue spiritually. What man can obtain as ‘facts’ doesn’t matter, only the truth of this single issue. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/66 "2009-03-31T21:21:36Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > No even if the group is zero, no person even thinks Obama was born outside the US, but if Obama was not born in the US the problem remains, he would only be a figurehead not the president. Even if everyone, including Obama, thinks he was born in the U.S? Never mind. _just points and laughs_ ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/67 "2009-03-31T21:26:48Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > No even if the group is zero, no person even thinks Obama was born outside the US, but if Obama was not born in the US the problem remains, he would only be a figurehead not the president. Even if this made any sense at all, Obama was born in Hawaii. End of story. > [@kanicbird](#): > > The problem is the law leaves no room for dispute in this matter, if he was born outside the US he can not be president. And since he was not born outside the US, the issue does not arise. > [@kanicbird](#): > > It is a black and white issue spiritually. Spirits have nothing to do with this. > [@kanicbird](#): > > What man can obtain as ‘facts’ doesn’t matter, only the truth of this single issue. We use facts to obtain the truth in the real world. Let me know when you enter it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/68 "2009-03-31T21:30:18Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > What man can obtain as ‘facts’ doesn’t matter, only the truth of this single issue. Holy shit. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/69 "2009-03-31T21:32:14Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > What man can obtain as ‘facts’ doesn’t matter, only the truth of this single issue. We have ‘facts’. If ‘facts’ do not matter and only the truth of this issue matters, and cannot be resolved by ‘facts’, then only God may resolve it. For only God knows The Truth. And since no man can really be trusted to impart this Truth, we will have to wait for God Himself to chime in. I’m not going to hold my breath. ---
**Author:** ![Hakuna\_Matata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hakuna\_Matata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hakuna_Matata)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/70 "2009-03-31T21:45:33Z")
> [@Billdo](#): > > The most subtle aspect of Barack Obama’s conspiracy to become president as a Kenyan-born non-citizen is that, knowing that their mixed-race child of a Kenyan student and a Hawaiian woman of modest means would forty-some years hence be a U.S. Senator with a chance to compete for the presidency, Mr. & Mrs. Barack Obama Sr. decided to put an birth annoucement in the August 13, 1961 [Honolulu Advertiser](http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) to provide additional credence to their plot to give their son (whom they somehow smuggled to Hawaii with no records after his secret birth in Kenya) a false Hawaiian birth certificate. > > You never can understimate the cleverness of those Obamas. Damn!! I thought I was the only one who caught this. Those Obamas clearly had foresight on this issue and thought they were ‘oh–so subtle’ about this advertisement. But I caught onto this right away–the oldest trick in the book! Come on, is anyone truly surprised that a mixed ethnicity child from modest means would one day grow up to the President? I mean the signs were all there from the date of birth! Of course they had to cover it all up 😃 It’s clear as mud–open your eyes people!!! It warms my heart to see kanicbird in this thread. He is up there with lekatt and springs1 as some of my favorite whacky folks here. why oh why does it not shock me to see his response? ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/71 "2009-03-31T21:46:49Z")
Along **kanicbird** ’s line of thought, there’s this: there is some compelling evidence that, spiritually speaking, the United States does not really exist. Therefore, no one is human. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/72 "2009-03-31T21:48:03Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Gosh, I love you. This is high-grade crazy, even by your remarkable standards. It’s the kind of crazy you want to fall in love with and have a huge wedding attended by everyone you’ve ever met and catered by Alton Brown, Julia Child, and whoever invented the Martini. It’s the kind of crazy you want to take on the honeymoon to the top of K-2 and break into every possible communication device in the world, so you could show off to the entire world (except those Kenyans with their brain controlling chips in their heads) just what a lucky guy you are to have such crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/47e85d/32.png) [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/73 "2009-03-31T21:48:36Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. > > How this would play out in the physical world, someone somewhere would have proof, that proof will be presented to Obama in one form or another, and to keep it undercover Obama would have to do whatever they wanted. Obama really looks rattled. It’s as if someone is about to burst in at any moment with his North Korean birth certificate and the whole house of cards will come crashing down. Kanicad, I think you are through the looking-glass. ---
**Author:** ![Hakuna\_Matata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hakuna\_Matata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hakuna_Matata)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/74 "2009-03-31T21:49:21Z")
> [@Jane\_Elliot](#): > > I’m so glad I’m not alone. I use it as sort of an intelligence test for myself. I like to see if I can spot the logical and factual mistakes. I love this stuff man. I started a thread at the first of the year (which I believe may have won an award for dropping the fastest off the front page with nary a response) about this issue as my favorite news story of 2008. I figured no on else on the dope enjoyed the whackiness as much as I did, I am glad to find a kindred soul. For awhile I was really enjoying going to [Obamacrimes.com](http://Obamacrimes.com) but I haven’t been there for awhile. It might be worth a special trip. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/75 "2009-03-31T22:13:30Z")
Did Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro ever even _visit_ Kenya? (Her passport records should be around somewhere, it would seem easy enough to answer.) Alabama’s senator Richard Shelby even brought this up recently with an “I haven’t seen his birth certificate but I’ll assume he’s a citizen” piece of nonsense. If Ann Obama gave birth to her son while dancing around the Kaaba and waving a burning American flag and the exiled Ayatollah Khomeini personally hacked through his umbilical cord and handed him off to young Saddam Hussein who said “I’ll give you a Death to All Infidels T-shirt if you’ll name him after me!” and then they stopped off for a long visit with the man he calls Uncle Fidel on the way back to Hawaii, then Barack Obama would _still_ be an American citizen. The rest is a hair splitting matter by the same people who’d find some odd precedent or call for a change of the laws if Schwarzeneggar was running for the office. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/76 "2009-03-31T22:31:12Z")
Look, no one has produced proof, and I don’t just mean proof, I mean PROOF!!!, that Hawai’i was a state at the time of Obama’s birth? Huh? Well?? How you like me now! ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/77 "2009-03-31T22:34:53Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Did Ann Dunham Obama Soetoro ever even _visit_ Kenya? (Her passport records should be around somewhere, it would seem easy enough to answer.) > > Alabama’s senator Richard Shelby even brought this up recently with an “I haven’t seen his birth certificate but I’ll assume he’s a citizen” piece of nonsense. If Ann Obama gave birth to her son while dancing around the Kaaba and waving a burning American flag and the exiled Ayatollah Khomeini personally hacked through his umbilical cord and handed him off to young Saddam Hussein who said “I’ll give you a Death to All Infidels T-shirt if you’ll name him after me!” and then they stopped off for a long visit with the man he calls Uncle Fidel on the way back to Hawaii, then Barack Obama would _still_ be an American citizen. The rest is a hair splitting matter by the same people who’d find some odd precedent or call for a change of the laws if Schwarzenegger was running for the office. Nitpick: the Kaaba is in Saudi Arabia, so in that case, under the laws in 1961, he wouldn’t be. Nice image, though. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/78 "2009-03-31T22:47:55Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Look, no one has produced proof, and I don’t just mean proof, I mean PROOF!!!, that Hawai’i was a state at the time of Obama’s birth? > > Huh? Well?? How you like me now! Heck, I’d like to see some proof that “Hawai’i” even exists. Maybe _Lost_ is filmed on location on an _actual_ time-travelling location-shifting island of polar bears. Full disclosure: I myself have visited “Hawai’i” twice. But it was years and years ago-- I was just a kid–and my family weren’t actually going to “Hawai’i”, we were on our way to Australia and back for a family vacation. I never even left the airport in “Hawai’i”, which could have been anywhere, really–it’s not like I had a GPS, or even a compass. Plus I’m sure I dozed off on those long trans-Pacific flights, giving Them plenty of time to play games with our course and navigation, or even to implant synthetic memories into our brains. And if “Hawai’i” doesn’t exist, then my fellow Americans, I ask you, who–or _WHAT_–is our President now? ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/79 "2009-03-31T22:54:26Z")
My Rabidly Republican Sister forwarded to me an email just two or three days ago that contained a purportedly true story concerning a young woman in a college class who thought it very unfair that only a natural born citizen of the USA could become President; she favored changing the law so that children born by C section would have an equal chance. The conclusion of the email was the fact that it was people like that young lady who were allowed to vote who were responsible for Obama being president. I suppose the message was that people should have to pass some sort of intelligence test before being allowed to vote and that intelligent people would obviously vote republican. I’m rapidly coming to actively dislike my sister. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/80 "2009-03-31T22:57:08Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > … if Obama was not born in the US the problem remains, he would only be a figurehead not the president. … if he was born outside the US he can not be president. … > What man can obtain as ‘facts’ doesn’t matter, only the truth of this single issue. Here’s a ‘fact’ for ya, ‘‘guess’’ which ‘candidate’ in ‘the’ last ,presidential, election wasn’t ‘’‘born’‘’ in the US? CMC fnord! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=5)