# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/81 "2009-03-31T22:59:13Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Here’s a ‘fact’ for ya, ‘‘guess’’ which ‘candidate’ in ‘the’ last ,presidential, election wasn’t ‘’‘born’‘’ in the US? > > CMC fnord! Roger Calero. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/82 "2009-03-31T23:12:52Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. > > How this would play out in the physical world, someone somewhere would have proof, that proof will be presented to Obama in one form or another, and to keep it undercover Obama would have to do whatever they wanted. :rubs eyes: Did anyone spike my tea with acid? Or hers? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Jane\_Elliot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jane_elliot/32/6166_2.png) [@Jane\_Elliot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jane_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/83 "2009-03-31T23:16:19Z")
> [@Hakuna\_Matata](#): > > I love this stuff man. I started a thread at the first of the year (which I believe may have won an award for dropping the fastest off the front page with nary a response) about this issue as my favorite news story of 2008. I figured no on else on the dope enjoyed the whackiness as much as I did, I am glad to find a kindred soul. > > For awhile I was really enjoying going to [Obamacrimes.com](http://Obamacrimes.com) but I haven’t been there for awhile. It might be worth a special trip. It’s a guilty pleasure for me, like schadenfreude, but different. I just came from [Obamacrimes.com](http://Obamacrimes.com) and was unimpressed. For the some really special crazy, try [defendourfreedoms.us](http://defendourfreedoms.us). I also like the conspiracy forums at [randi.org](http://randi.org), but I don’t post there. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/84 "2009-03-31T23:22:59Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > Heck, I’d like to see some proof that “Hawai’i” even exists. What if Obama doesn’t exist? What if he’s a figment of our imagination? Is there any proof (other than those pesky facts)? ---
**Author:** ![Hakuna\_Matata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@Hakuna\_Matata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hakuna_Matata)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/85 "2009-03-31T23:30:03Z")
> [@Jane\_Elliot](#): > > It’s a guilty pleasure for me, like schadenfreude, but different. > > I just came from [Obamacrimes.com](http://Obamacrimes.com) and was unimpressed. For the some really special crazy, try [defendourfreedoms.us](http://defendourfreedoms.us). I also like the conspiracy forums at [randi.org](http://randi.org), but I don’t post there. Thanks–will have to check it out. Like I said I haven’t visited any of these places for awhile since the all seemed to settle down after he was sworn in. Obamacrimes used to be good–do they still have the forums? I swear these web sites are difficult to navigate. One I used to love but no one has posted for awhile is this one: [http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/](http://thevalleytruth.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/the-supreme-court-and-obamas-birth-certificate/) I love the note of resignation at the end 🙂 Now off to [defendourfreedoms.us](http://defendourfreedoms.us) 🙂 I needs some crazy in my life. btw– **MightyGirl** –is Kanicbird female? I always assumed it was male. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/86 "2009-03-31T23:33:19Z")
> [@C3](#): > > Small nitpick, since it’s been used twice by two different posters… > > A “moonbat” is a crazy leftie. > > A “wingnut” is a crazy rightie. > > Birthers are wingnuts, not moonbats. Not necessarily. A friend of mine has “serious concerns” about Obama’s citizenship. He’s also so far to the left that he think Vladimir Lenin was a tool of corporate interests. He’s _also_ a big time 9/11 Truther. And he’s unironically referenced David Icke to bolster his arguments. Perhaps not coincidentally, he used to have a serious addiction to crystal meth. ---
**Author:** ![Jane\_Elliot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jane_elliot/32/6166_2.png) [@Jane\_Elliot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jane_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/87 "2009-03-31T23:49:36Z")
> [@Hakuna\_Matata](#): > > Obamacrimes used to be good–do they still have the forums? It looks like the forums are now members-only. I’m not crazy enough to join up. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/88 "2009-03-31T23:53:51Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Roger Calero. :dubious: :rolleyes: :smack: ☹ 😉 😃 CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/89 "2009-04-01T00:32:40Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US, humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. I’ll humor you if you’ll humor me. Who are these heavenly rulers, why would they gain power in this situation, and how would their power manifest itself? The United States is the creation of human beings and human laws, it was not put into existence by spiritual powers. > [@kanicbird](#): > > How this would play out in the physical world, someone somewhere would have proof, that proof will be presented to Obama in one form or another, and to keep it undercover Obama would have to do whatever they wanted. But as you said, “What man can obtain as ‘facts’ doesn’t matter, only the truth of this single issue.” So if facts don’t matter, what other form could this “proof” take that would still prove anything? And what about the rather large body of proof that already exists to support Obama’s citizenship? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/90 "2009-04-01T01:07:48Z")
> [@](#): > > 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: > > 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. > **[Ephesians 2:2 (KJV) - Forerunner Commentary](https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/29232/eVerseID/29232)** > > Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the childr ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/91 "2009-04-01T01:56:42Z")
> [@Billdo](#): > > The most subtle aspect of Barack Obama’s conspiracy to become president as a Kenyan-born non-citizen is that, knowing that their mixed-race child of a Kenyan student and a Hawaiian woman of modest means would forty-some years hence be a U.S. Senator with a chance to compete for the presidency, Mr. & Mrs. Barack Obama Sr. decided to put an birth annoucement in the August 13, 1961 [Honolulu Advertiser](http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html) to provide additional credence to their plot to give their son (whom they somehow smuggled to Hawaii with no records after his secret birth in Kenya) a false Hawaiian birth certificate. Oh, but they have an answer to this: the Dunhams did this because they knew their grandson was a foreign citizen, and wanted him to be in the U.S. to enjoy all the benefits of citizenship, so got the notice in the paper through bribes/lies/what have you. Incidentally, most of the major conservative bloggers I read from time to time totally denounce this whole thing, even over the rabid objections of many of their commenters/readers. Some of them (the bloggers) even say, “This is exactly what Obama wants! An easily disproven and facially farcical conspiracy theory to make all his opponents look like morons! You people are falling right into his trap!” One even commented that he’d probably have happily set up tents for those people at his inauguration. The fact that said commenters just don’t pay attention (even as they pay attention to them on almost all other issues) shows what kind of blindness partisanship can bring on. Or idiocy. Whichever. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/92 "2009-04-01T02:43:14Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Some people babble on about how aliens are mutilating our cows but that doesn’t change how the dairy industry functions. But if they **WERE** , it **WOULD**. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh. Oh, and as for the OP, I suggest next time he’s in for a little fun he ask the guy he’s referring to what he thinks about “international bankers”. The only person IRL that I knew peddling this crap also believed in things like International Bankers and the faked moon landing. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/93 "2009-04-01T02:48:54Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Both are irrelevant to the main issue, there is the ability to control the president of the US unless this issue can be solved one way or another. It IS solved - _he was born in the United States, to a mother who was a US citizen, and has a valid Hawaiian birth certificate!_ What more do you want? Zeus to come down and tell you in person? :rolleyes: This whole pile steaming crap is perpetrated by people who don’t like reality and think they can change it by sticking their fingers in their ears and going LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/94 "2009-04-01T02:55:49Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > This is a spiritual answer: If Obama is truly illegitimate because he was born outside the US, There is no “if” here - the fact is Obama was born inside the United States. This is like asking what would have happened when Neil Armstrong stepped on the moon if the moon really was made of green cheese. The moon is made of rock. Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States of America and legally qualified to be President of those United States of America. He IS the PotUS. Deal with it. > [@](#): > > and he continues the illusion that he was born in the US **THERE IS NO ILLUSION!!!** He WAS born in the US. > [@](#): > > humanity has lost control of the presidency and power shifts to heavenly (demonic) rulers. WTF? 😕 > [@](#): > > How this would play out in the physical world, someone somewhere would have proof, that proof will be presented to Obama in one form or another, and to keep it undercover Obama would have to do whatever they wanted. In the physical world what you suggest is a pile of bovine droppings. _There is no proof because what you suggest is untrue._ I suggest you stop following deceivers - isn’t there something in the mythology you follow about your enemy being the prince of lies and deceit? Check who you’re following, buddy, because it ain’t the truth you’re stumbling towards here. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/95 "2009-04-01T03:00:00Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I’m talking generally, if the president, by any name, was not born in the US, that man would not be president, but only a figurehead. Well, then, thank Og McCain wasn’t elected because he was born in Panama, not the US. Except, of course, that McCain was a US citizen from birth because his parents were US citizens. So… your statements and insinuations are, as I have said several times now, a steaming pile of nonsensical crap. It doesn’t matter how large or small the group is who is claiming it: ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/96 "2009-04-01T03:00:38Z")
**kanicbird** , doesn’t your religion say something about lying? Why are you in this thread trying to perpetuate a lie about Obama? ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/97 "2009-04-01T03:09:40Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > It is a black and white issue spiritually. Now why did you have to go and bring race into it? BTW, I love how the nutjobs keep moving the goalposts here. They have gone from claiming Ann Dunham somehow gave birth to Barack in a small Kenyan village, to instead now claiming that even if Barack was born in Hawaii, it doesn’t make him a citizen because: - his mother was too young - Hawaii wasn’t one of the 48 contiguous states - August babies are not eligible for citizenship - his middle name is Hussein etc., etc., etc. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/98 "2009-04-01T03:09:52Z")
Why is anyone trying to engage **kanicbird** in meaningful dialog? Every response he gives will just be another incomprehensible repainting of reality filled with generalizations and bullshit about demons. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/99 "2009-04-01T03:27:40Z")
> [@Algorithm](#): > > Why is anyone trying to engage **kanicbird** in meaningful dialog? For funsies, I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/100 "2009-04-01T03:34:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > For funsies, I thought. I like to call it shits n’ ohmygodican’tstayuprightbecausei’mlaughingtoohard-les. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=6)