# Now you're making stuff up. \[Obama's citizenship\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427 "2009-03-31T14:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/121 "2009-04-01T15:48:51Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I for one welcome our new heavenly (demonic) overlords. > > **Little-Known Fact** : the reason they haven’t produced his Birth Certificate (as opposed to his Certificate of Live Birth) is that it would reveal that his full legal birth name is **Barack Hussein Adolf Ceaucescu Satan Stabby Stabby Gooberhead Obama**. Apparently the pain medication hadn’t worn off when his mother filled out the forms. Yes, but when he was a little boy he was known as “Joe Stalin” for short. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/122 "2009-04-01T15:56:41Z")
> [@The\_Weird\_One](#): > > I’ll humor you if you’ll humor me. Who are these heavenly rulers, why would they gain power in this situation, and how would their power manifest itself? The United States is the creation of human beings and human laws, it was not put into existence by spiritual powers. Words mean things, our representative government is a very descriptive term, people are representing spiritual powers, who these people sold themselves to at varying levels of submission. Our government is a mix of iron (ruling authority) and clay (man) (Dan 2:33-45). We have to play by the rules to have our say, if we are not legitimately elected, such as not being born w/i the US, then the man portion has no claim on that share of power, and as such the iron part, which are demonic rulers, have full authority. As for how this would manifest, they would be telling Obama what to say and how to say it, Obama would follow their instructions, Obama the man would have no input at all in any decision, though the appearance to the public would be that Obama was leading. So the heavenly rulers would make it look like a human was runing the country so as not to expose themselves. The US and all countries are not put into effect by man but allowed by God, God negotiates/mediates our laws with heavenly rulers on our behalf, we are left to believe we created this country. It is truly one nation under God. > [@](#): > > But as you said, “What man can obtain as ‘facts’ doesn’t matter, only the truth of this single issue.” So if facts don’t matter, what other form could this “proof” take that would still prove anything? And what about the rather large body of proof that already exists to support Obama’s citizenship? God knows exactly where Obama was born, that’s all that matters, if Obama was born outside the US, the demonic rulers can petition God to remove his power, Obama being under the law would have to comply and fall under the authority of the demonic rulers. It’s the demonic rulers that want the power, their appeal is to God, so facts that man can come up with don’t matter. Though if Obama believes he was born in the US in his heart, that I believe would negate or at least mediate the claim as God looks at the heart. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/123 "2009-04-01T15:59:54Z")
All-one, all-one. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/124 "2009-04-01T16:02:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Show me the constitutional requirement for the President to produce his birth certificate first. OK you got me on that one, but it is really a nitpik, the requirement is a national born citizen, which God and demonic rulers know, our legal process don’t matter in this at all, just the words in the document that gives Obama authority. and quite possibly the belief in Obama’s heart as to his status. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/125 "2009-04-01T16:06:05Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > What if Obama was mutilating cows? It would make him highly manipulatable. What if there’s video of him **TIPPING** cows? You’d have the moonbat left pointing out that, yes, see, you CAN tip cows, and you’d have the wingnut right suddenly interested in joining PETA. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/126 "2009-04-01T16:10:54Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > OK you got me on that one, but it is really a nitpik, the requirement is a national born citizen, which God and demonic rulers know, our legal process don’t matter in this at all, just the words in the document that gives Obama authority. and quite possibly the belief in Obama’s heart as to his status. **Kanicbird** , there are really only two ways to take your posts from the past few months. You’re either so awesomemly, neanderthally, blindingly stupid that we must assume that, as a child, you were skating on a frozen lake, fell through a weak spot in the ice, and were deprived of oxygen for the several minutes it took help to arrive; or that you are an utterly cynical troll who believes not a whit of what you psot but instead have determined to present youself as a caricature of the most hateful, bigoted, stupid, obscurantist, vile elements of Christianity. Please go away. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/127 "2009-04-01T16:12:07Z")
Has anyone seen Joe Biden’s Birth Certificate? I’m not sayin’ anything one way or the other about this highly suspicious, possibly illegal, and overwhelming threat to our democracy and freedom as we know it, non-disclosure. I’m just asking. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/128 "2009-04-01T16:12:30Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Actually I think he is lying. Reading his posts in this thread and in the SUV thread convinced me that he is simply fucking with us for the joy of it and is no more serious about the theology he spouts than I am about having a teleporter which I use to send gifts to people when I accidentally offend them. I called him a moron above because his riff is so hateful and ignorant. um … Im highly offended and would love some cookies… /me looks hopeful 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/129 "2009-04-01T16:14:53Z")
It’s really good that demonic princes of ultimate darkness and evil seek so diligently to invisibly exploit loopholes in the law. Banishing them is easy, too. Satan’s plot for enslaving the world would be completely thwarted by a low-level functionary in the Elections Commission office. It just never occurs to Satan that if he wants to take over the world with his armies of diabolical minions, he doesn’t have to follow the rules. Ultimate evil just ain’t as powerful as it used to be. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/130 "2009-04-01T16:16:16Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Words mean things, lots of words deleted for brevity. if you want to see what was said scroll up. owie, my brain hurts now. where is that thread about committing someone involuntarily for the safety of themselves and others? This has got to be hazardous for all our health … not to mention safety, What if we all throw our keyboards at the wall and jump out of the windows to get away from the crazy? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/131 "2009-04-01T16:16:58Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Words mean things They do? Why wasn’t I told? ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/132 "2009-04-01T16:20:40Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > Has anyone seen Joe Biden’s Birth Certificate? > > I’m not sayin’ anything one way or the other about this highly suspicious, possibly illegal, and overwhelming threat to our democracy and freedom as we know it, non-disclosure. > > I’m just asking. [cheap shot]He produced a birth certificate during the campaign but upon closer inspection it turned out to be Neil Kinnock’s.[/cheap shot] ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/133 "2009-04-01T16:21:10Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > It’s a [French airport](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orly_Airport_(Paris)), just south of Paris. > > Pay no attention to **The Weird One**. He is trying to mislead you on April Fools Day. HA! Joke’s on you –I’m a female of the species. A species, anyway. Not sure which one. ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/134 "2009-04-01T16:22:07Z")
I’m going to buy a theramin so I can play it while I read kanicbird’s posts. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/135 "2009-04-01T16:22:09Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > um … Im highly offended and would love some cookies… > > /me looks hopeful > > 😃 :: teleports **aruvqan** a plateful of cookies stolen from the bakery down the street :: ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/136 "2009-04-01T16:30:15Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > owie, my brain hurts now. The first time he said it, it looked like it made sense for about one sentence in that his post suggested it would be possible for people to blackmail Obama if he were really born outside the U.S. and someone else had proof. After that, forget it - cloud cuckoo land. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/137 "2009-04-01T16:30:45Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > [cheap shot]He produced a birth certificate during the campaign but upon closer inspection it turned out to be Neil Kinnock’s.[/cheap shot] Cheap, yet funny. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/138 "2009-04-01T16:33:23Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > It’s really good that demonic princes of ultimate darkness and evil seek so diligently to invisibly exploit loopholes in the law. Banishing them is easy, too. Satan’s plot for enslaving the world would be completely thwarted by a low-level functionary in the Elections Commission office. It just never occurs to Satan that if he wants to take over the world with his armies of diabolical minions, he doesn’t have to follow the rules. > > Ultimate evil just ain’t as powerful as it used to be. That’s because of nepotism. I wanted to be in charge but no… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/139 "2009-04-01T16:45:33Z")
> [@NurseCarmen](#): > > I guess I haven’t been paying attention. I never realized kanicbird was batshit off meds brain scrambled crazy. Neat. We really need to make a sticky about this. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427/140 "2009-04-01T16:47:06Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > As for how this would manifest, they would be telling Obama what to say and how to say it, Obama would follow their instructions, Obama the man would have no input at all in any decision, though the appearance to the public would be that Obama was leading. So the heavenly rulers would make it look like a human was running the country so as not to expose themselves. Okay, I understand what you’re saying. So, speaking hypothetically, if the demonic rulers took pains to ensure that the appearance of Obama running the country was maintained, would there by any signs of it, or any way for us to know that Obama was in the power of the demons? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-youre-making-stuff-up-obamas-citizenship/491427.md?page=8)