# NRA No Way! Companies affiliated re-thinking things due to Parkland **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 24, 2018, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450 "2018-02-24T04:18:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/1 "2018-02-24T04:18:25Z")
[More companies end ties with NRA as pressure mounts](https://apnews.com/8f9b585f1a1f449ca36e4469566767ad/More-companies-end-ties-with-NRA-as-pressure-mounts): > [@](#): > > Three more companies said Friday they had ended discount programs with the National Rifle Association, as U.S. corporations take a closer look at investments, co-branding deals and other ties to the gun industry after the latest school massacre. > > Petitions are circulating online targeting companies that offer discounts to NRA members on its website. #BoycottNRA has trended on Twitter. > [@](#): > > The insurance company MetLife Inc. discontinued its discount program with the NRA on Friday. The car rental company Hertz and Symantec Corp., the software company that makes Norton Antivirus technology, did the same. > > Insurer Chubb Ltd. said Friday it is ending participation in the NRA’s gun-owner insurance program, but it provided notice three months ago. The program that provided coverage for people involved in gun-related incidents or accidents had been under scrutiny by regulators over marketing issues. > > Those defections arrived a day after car rental company Enterprise Holdings, which also owns Alamo and National, said it was cutting off discounts for NRA members. First National Bank of Omaha, one of the nation’s largest privately held banks, announced that it would not renew a co-branded Visa credit-card with the NRA. > > Other companies, including Wyndham Hotels and Best Western hotels, have let social media users know they are no longer affiliated with the NRA, though they did not make clear when the partnerships ended. Now that’s some good old-fashioned protesting being done in a new-fangled technological kind of way. I learned as a kid and I still feel today: everything is political; know what you’re doing. Don’t spend your money at a place of business that supports shitty ideas and policies. Vote with your wallet, etc. Of course it remains to be seen how much of an impact this will have, but it’s starting to feel like there’s some cracks in the facade, eh. To paraphrase Holden: Fuck the NRA. Fuck them right up their stupid asses. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/2 "2018-02-24T05:17:04Z")
“You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he’s really sick… And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they’re both faggots… And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin’ a bar [and] walking out. They may think it’s an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said fifty people a day walking in… and walking out. And friends they may thinks it’s a movement” Alice’s Restaurant Massacree, Arlo Guthrie. This time things ARE different. And the difference is your wonderful kids stepping up to the plate and saying NO MORE. Bravo to those companies cutting ties to the NRA, and bless those who join in the ‘movement’. May this be the catalyst for change in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Downtown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Mr\_Downtown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Downtown)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/3 "2018-02-24T05:20:48Z")
Much as I despise the NRA, this seems like bandwagon-jumping. I doubt that anyone joins the NRA to get the discount on car rentals, nor do I think the car rental company pays the NRA for the privilege. So ending the discount is not cutting off their support of the organization—it’s saying they don’t want to be associated with NRA members. When my local movie theatre gives military in uniform a 10% discount, I don’t think of that as support for the Dept. of Defense, and certainly not as support for the war in Afghanistan. I certainly wouldn’t think that boycotting the movie theater is an effective way to change DoD policy. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/4 "2018-02-24T05:27:33Z")
> [@Mr\_Downtown](#): > > Much as I despise the NRA, this seems like bandwagon-jumping. And if enough people jump on that bandwagon, then the current climate of blind acceptance of the NRA cools considerably. > [@](#): > > …it’s saying they don’t want to be associated with NRA members. That sounds good to me, baby steps and all. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/5 "2018-02-24T06:09:00Z")
> [@Mr\_Downtown](#): > > Much as I despise the NRA, this seems like bandwagon-jumping. I doubt that anyone joins the NRA to get the discount on car rentals, nor do I think the car rental company pays the NRA for the privilege. So ending the discount is not cutting off their support of the organization—it’s saying they don’t want to be associated with NRA members. > > When my local movie theatre gives military in uniform a 10% discount, I don’t think of that as support for the Dept. of Defense, and certainly not as support for the war in Afghanistan. I certainly wouldn’t think that boycotting the movie theater is an effective way to change DoD policy. Ya know what, if you made it clear to the theater manager and to the press and to everyone who you could of your reason for the boycott, and millions of people all across the country joined you and publicly said why, do you think it would have no impact on the theater’s policies? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/6 "2018-02-24T08:36:30Z")
[Also ‘abandonment’](https://apnews.com/baab987c5fca4c1b969de622b1f9ed88/Trump-talks-new-gun-measures,-gun-owners-talk-'betrayal')! > [@](#): > > Trump’s flirtation with a set of modest gun control measures drew swift condemnation from gun groups, hunters and sportsmen who banked on the president to be a stalwart opponent to any new gun restrictions. In his pledge to make schools safer and curb gun violence after the massacre at a Florida high school, gun advocates see a weakening resolve from the man they voted for in droves and spent millions to elect. > > “Out in the firearms community there is a great feeling of betrayal and abandonment, because of the support he was given in his campaign for president,” Tony Fabian, president of the Colorado Sports Shooting Association, said Friday. > > The comments highlight how little room the president and his party have to maneuver without angering and activating the politically powerful gun rights community. > [@](#): > > “If there was an art of the deal, then this would be a deal breaker,” said Brandon Combs, president of the California-based Firearms Policy Coalition, making a reference to the title of Trump’s 1987 book on business. The coalition said in a statement Tuesday that it would take legal action if necessary to resist Trump’s “outrageous lawlessness.” > > “Gun owners have been burned too many times over the years,” Combs said. “Politicians do whatever they want when they get into office.” This is about to get complicated, IMO. 😃 If companies and people leave the NRA, they’re going to start (justifiably) feeling abandoned. That could lead to a backed-in-the-corner mentality and who the hell knows what happens then? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/7 "2018-02-24T15:11:39Z")
The NRA has waaaaay too much influence on politicians and policy and they need to be bright down many notches. “Bandwagon jumping”? You better believe it! ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/8 "2018-02-24T15:38:26Z")
Oh, I’m just weeping for the gun owners who have been “burned too many times.” 😭. Not. Tmurp has all the resolve of a limp piece of spaghetti so he’ll come out against gun regulations once he hears complaints from his gun rabid base. Then all negotiations will be over and it’ll be back to school shootings as usual. The only thing you can count on that big orange baby for is to do whatever is bad for the people. I’d like to think that more companies cutting ties with the NRA will at least help marginalize them (the NRA) but not sure that will be enough. The actual action has to come from Congress and the prez, and that’s not too likely right now. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/9 "2018-02-24T16:24:44Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > … > If companies and people leave the NRA, they’re going to start (justifiably) feeling abandoned. That could lead to a backed-in-the-corner mentality and who the hell knows what happens then? Then, when they are not looking, we take their guns and melt them into bricks for the Great Wall of America. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/10 "2018-02-24T16:32:03Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Then, when they are not looking, we take their guns and melt them into bricks for the Great Wall of America. It’s got a nice ring to it, doesn’t it: the Border Wall of Guns! ETA: Or maybe just ‘the Gunwall’. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/11 "2018-02-24T16:37:17Z")
It demonstrates that the NRA is not as powerful as it pretends to be. These companies cut ties, and won’t suffer for it. That’s a black eye for the NRA. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/12 "2018-02-24T16:57:33Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > That could lead to a backed-in-the-corner mentality and who the hell knows what happens then? They’ve felt that way for decades. Fuck’em. ---
**Author:** ![Batano](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b487fb/32.png) [@Batano](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batano)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/13 "2018-02-24T17:08:06Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Then, when they are not looking, we take their guns and melt them into bricks for the Great Wall of America. Or an Iron Throne ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/14 "2018-02-24T17:32:10Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > It demonstrates that the NRA is not as powerful as it pretends to be. These companies cut ties, and won’t suffer for it. That’s a black eye for the NRA. This X 100! Call their bluff, those stupid bastards! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/15 "2018-02-24T19:47:20Z")
[Things are accelerating](https://apnews.com/04d3cfdcc8dd4120b86aa924fe91e2ef/NRA,-Florida-faces-backlash-after-latest-school-shooting): > [@](#): > > The latest companies to end their ties with the NRA were Delta and United Airlines, the first and third largest U.S.-based airline companies by revenue, respectively. > > Both Delta and United said Saturday they will no longer offer discounted fares to NRA members to attend their annual meetings, and both have asked the gun rights group to remove any references to their companies from the NRA website. Car rentals and banks and credit cards: > [@](#): > > A growing number of large companies have announced they are cutting or reducing ties with the NRA. Rental car company Hertz will no longer offer a discount program to NRA members and First National Bank of Omaha said it will not renew a co-branded credit card it has with the NRA. And the biggie: > [@](#): > > The State of Florida was also facing a potential boycott and backlash as well. One teen survivor of the Florida school shooting suggested on Twitter Saturday morning that tourists stay away from the state during spring break; he got immediate response on social media. > > “Let’s make a deal,” David Hogg, a Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student who has been a major player in the #neveragain movement, tweeted. “DO NOT come to Florida for spring break unless gun legislation is passed.” > > Wendy Glaab, 60, of Fonthill, Ontario, Canada, was among the first to respond. “I like many Canadians travel to Florida from time to time to escape our winter. I can’t speak for others but I will not be returning until meaningful gun control legislation is in place.” These young men and women totally fucking rock! Go Eagles! ETA: To be clear, Wendy Glaab also totally fucking rocks! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/16 "2018-02-24T19:50:04Z")
Then there’s that delicious rumor about Russian money funneled into the NRA. Now, Universe, I know I haven’t been a very good pantheist, but if you could just give me this one sign… ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/17 "2018-02-24T20:25:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Then there’s that delicious rumor about Russian money funneled into the NRA. > > Now, Universe, I know I haven’t been a very good pantheist, but if you could just give me this one sign… I’m worried of what the outcome of this being true would be. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/18 "2018-02-24T20:58:24Z")
> [@Mr\_Downtown](#): > > Much as I despise the NRA, this seems like bandwagon-jumping. I doubt that anyone joins the NRA to get the discount on car rentals, nor do I think the car rental company pays the NRA for the privilege. So ending the discount is not cutting off their support of the organization—it’s saying they don’t want to be associated with NRA members. No, not really: it’s just saying they don’t want to explicitly reward membership in the organization by giving it a monetary benefit. I’m sure none of these businesses have any objection to dealing with any NRA members who are willing to pay full price for their services just like everybody else. > [@Mr Downtown](#): > > When my local movie theatre gives military in uniform a 10% discount, I don’t think of that as support for the Dept. of Defense, and certainly not as support for the war in Afghanistan. Sure, but that’s because serving one’s country in uniform is widely and traditionally viewed as a brave and civic-minded act irrespective of specific military engagements and policies at any particular time. Membership in the NRA, on the other hand, currently serves no recognized purpose other than to further the NRA’s political agenda. Many ex-NRA members have commented that the organization used to be more like a gun sports club but is now essentially a political action group. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/19 "2018-02-24T20:59:37Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I’m worried of what the outcome of this being true would be. Me too. IIRC the original allegation was that the Russians gave millions to the NRA and that the NRA donated that money to the trump campaign, thus getting around those pesky laws that forbid foreign entities from donating to US campaigns. According to one report the NRA spent $30 million to support trump, about 3 times as much as they spent to support Romney – a factoid that if true supports the allegation. Does anyone know what would happen if this is all proven true? I can’t see how it would be legal to circumvent election financing law by running the money through a US organization. Does that mean the NRA is subject to criminal charges? What would possible penalties be? I’d like to think this would result in disbanding the NRA, but I suspect that wouldn’t make much difference – their members would simply flee to another organization and everything pretty much stays the same. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/20 "2018-02-24T21:10:36Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > I’d like to think this would result in disbanding the NRA, but I suspect that wouldn’t make much difference – their members would simply flee to another organization and everything pretty much stays the same. Comrades Carrying Guns. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450.md?page=2)