# NRA No Way! Companies affiliated re-thinking things due to Parkland **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 24, 2018, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450 "2018-02-24T04:18:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/61 "2018-02-28T18:11:52Z")
Saw an article today saying that Dick’s Sporting Goods will no longer sell military-style firearms, and their company policy going forward is that they will not sell any sort of gun to someone under age 21. I’ve never shopped there, but may in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/62 "2018-02-28T18:16:54Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Saw an article today saying that Dick’s Sporting Goods will no longer sell military-style firearms, and their company policy going forward is that they will not sell any sort of gun to someone under age 21. I’ve never shopped there, but may in the future. Aye: [Retailers Dick's and Walmart take harder line against guns | AP News](https://apnews.com/2663d23b8d5442fbb1d92f6845d0f65d/Dick's-ends-sales-of-assault-style-rifles-in-stores) ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/63 "2018-02-28T19:47:48Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Saw an article today saying that Dick’s Sporting Goods will no longer sell military-style firearms, and their company policy going forward is that they will not sell any sort of gun to someone under age 21. I’ve never shopped there, but may in the future. You might want to wait a bit. Dick’s did the same thing in 2012 after Sandy Hook. A year later, they were selling them again. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/64 "2018-02-28T20:08:52Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > It’s about normalization. Exactly. This could just be some temporary bandwagon-hopping, but I still see it as a positive sign of growing anti-NRA sentiment. I’m very happy the NRA is showing its backside right now because their craven entitlement is making it obvious they are the number one impediment to our progress. They would rather we contort ourselves as a society to accommodate guns and the maniacs addicted to them rather than employ sensible regulation. Why should any of us accept this nonsense? They are also telling us that gun availability is more important than all of other freedoms–namely, the freedom to live without being mowed down by a 20 year old. How does this logic benefit the average person, though? It only benefits those who get rich from gun sales. If the key to shifting our culture is making it so being an NRA member is almost as eyebrow-raising as being in NAMBLA, then I’m all for that. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/65 "2018-02-28T20:11:29Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > You might want to wait a bit. Dick’s did the same thing in 2012 after Sandy Hook. A year later, they were selling them again. “Dick Sporting Goods had cut off sales of assault-style weapons at Dick’s stores after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. But sales had resumed at its smaller chain of Field & Stream stores. On Wednesday, Stack said that would end, and he called on lawmakers to act now.” Do you have a cite that they were selling them other than in the F&S stores? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/66 "2018-02-28T20:21:07Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > “Dick Sporting Goods had cut off sales of assault-style weapons at Dick’s stores after the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. But sales had resumed at its smaller chain of Field & Stream stores. On Wednesday, Stack said that would end, and he called on lawmakers to act now.” > > Do you have a cite that they were selling them other than in the F&S stores? No. Is there an important difference between Dick’s and a subsidiary? It [appears](https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/08/20/dicks-sporting-goods-selling-ar-15-rifles-at-outdoor-chain-despite-newtown-ban/#333e07a77809) that Dick’s opened F&S and broke their 2012 promise. > [@](#): > > Industry experts say Dick’s has to sell these weapons at its new spinoff to remain competitive. “I’m not surprised,” said James Chartier, an analyst at Monness, Crespi, Hardt & Co., Inc who covers Dick’s Sporting Goods and competitors like Cabela’s. “If you want to be authentic to the customer, you have to sell that product. You can’t be seen as caving in to political pressure.” ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/67 "2018-02-28T20:48:55Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > I’m very happy the NRA is showing its backside right now because their craven entitlement is making it obvious they are the number one impediment to our progress. They would rather we contort ourselves as a society to accommodate guns and the maniacs addicted to them rather than employ sensible regulation. Why should any of us accept this nonsense? They are also telling us that gun availability is more important than all of other freedoms–namely, the freedom to live without being mowed down by a 20 year old. How does this logic benefit the average person, though? It only benefits those who get rich from gun sales. It benefits the people who demand ideological purity from their party as a moral test, and will hurt people on “their side” who “sell out” in order to become more popular worse than they hurt people they never saw as allied to begin with. The GOP is hamstrung by the NRA, and the NRA is hamstrung by the Gun Nation types who will defect and form a new organization if they see the NRA as selling out the cause of freedom just because there was another school shooting. These people will marginalize the NRA into irrelevance if they’re allowed to, as we can see happening as we speak, and the NRA will have to accept some short-term pain if it’s going to shed the lunatics and become the voice of gun owners who perhaps _don’t_ want to turn public schools into armed camps run on the [Auburn System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_system). Right-wingers have taken to whining about “virtue signaling”, or taking positions purely to identify status within a social group. This is one of a long line of things everyone does which the Right wants to demonize, so they can virtue signal by calling out all of the Lefties who do them. In this case, the NRA is virtue signaling so hard they’re advocating turning schools into prisons, and they’re signaling their virtue to the only people who’d consider such action virtuous: The extremist types who view their ownership of firearms as being a defining trait more important than their citizenship in the country they live in, to the point they threaten armed revolt whenever their gun ownership is threatened, which I refer to as Gun Nation. > [@](#): > > If the key to shifting our culture is making it so being an NRA member is almost as eyebrow-raising as being in NAMBLA, then I’m all for that. The NRA has the option to prevent this, by shedding Gun Nation and, essentially, turning back the clock to when it was more about hunters and competitive shooters who could accept a functional regulatory framework without feeling the need to threaten treason. Gun Nation will never allow that, and will never reform. If the NRA does force Gun Nation out, the group Gun Nation forms will indeed be NAMBLA-like in its unpalatability. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/68 "2018-02-28T21:27:06Z")
I wonder what the NRA will have to say about this? [Trump says he told NRA leaders that it’s time to “stop this nonsense”](https://www.axios.com/trump-nra-leaders-guns-919278dc-a814-4047-a6cd-c4e80dd87fc3.html) > [@](#): > > President Trump met with a bipartisan group of lawmakers at the White House on Wednesday to discuss school safety after the Parkland shooting. > > We have to act, we can’t wait and play games. > — President Trump > > Trump shut down the idea of expanding concealed carry, something House Republicans have been strongly pushing for. > > Republican Sen. Pat Toomey told Trump his bill didn’t deal with raising the age limit from 18 to 21 to purchase certain weapons. > > Trump responded: “You know why, because you’re afraid of the NRA.” ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/69 "2018-02-28T23:18:13Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > The NRA has the option to prevent this, by shedding Gun Nation and, essentially, turning back the clock to when it was more about hunters and competitive shooters who could accept a functional regulatory framework without feeling the need to threaten treason. Gun Nation will never allow that, and will never reform. If the NRA does force Gun Nation out, the group Gun Nation forms will indeed be NAMBLA-like in its unpalatability. The NRA _is_ Gun Nation. The more moderate members would be better off if they broke from the organization, unless they want be painted with the same brush as the extremists and scorned. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/70 "2018-02-28T23:24:21Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > I wonder what the NRA will have to say about this? > > [Trump says he told NRA leaders that it’s time to “stop this nonsense”](https://www.axios.com/trump-nra-leaders-guns-919278dc-a814-4047-a6cd-c4e80dd87fc3.html) The question is, how long until thump backtracks and denies he ever said anything? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/71 "2018-02-28T23:37:18Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The question is, how long until thump backtracks and denies he ever said anything? Yep he will ignore he ever said it. He’s just waiting for the next crises in his administration so he can ignore that as well. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2018, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/72 "2018-02-28T23:45:01Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > No. Is there an important difference between Dick’s and a subsidiary? It [appears](https://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2013/08/20/dicks-sporting-goods-selling-ar-15-rifles-at-outdoor-chain-despite-newtown-ban/#333e07a77809) that Dick’s opened F&S and broke their 2012 promise. Now that was a dick move… ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/73 "2018-03-01T00:08:58Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The question is, how long until thump backtracks and denies he ever said anything? Soon, I’m sure. I probably should have posted the reporting on today’s meeting in the CF thread. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/74 "2018-03-01T00:32:09Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Soon, I’m sure. I probably should have posted the reporting on today’s meeting in the CF thread. No prob. It’s all blurring together anyway. At least it is in my head. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/75 "2018-03-01T02:47:27Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > The NRA _is_ Gun Nation. The more moderate members would be better off if they broke from the organization, unless they want be painted with the same brush as the extremists and scorned. For the most part, it’s already happened. They’ve been hovering under 5m paid members annually; they’ll lose a few more, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume most of those won’t worry too much about scorn. They pretty much _are_ the extremists. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/76 "2018-03-01T04:32:46Z")
Walmart is also raising its minimum age for purchase of firearms to 21. Walmart had stopped selling AR15 style rifles in 2015. > **[Walmart Statement on Firearms Policy](https://corporate.walmart.com/newsroom/2018/02/28/walmart-statement-on-firearms-policy)** > > February 28, 2018 In light of recent events, we’ve taken an opportunity to review our policy on firearm sales. Going forward, we are raising the age restriction for purchase of firearms and ammunition to 21 years of age. We will update our processes... Raising the minimum age from 18 to 21 doesn’t strike me as all that significant, but maybe it will move the conversation a little in the right direction. Now, if we just had a president who was committed to confiscating guns without due process, we’d really be getting somewhere! ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/77 "2018-03-01T05:18:22Z")
> [@andros](#): > > For the most part, it’s already happened. They’ve been hovering under 5m paid members annually; they’ll lose a few more, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to assume most of those won’t worry too much about scorn. They pretty much _are_ the extremists. No, the SAF and GOA folk are more extreme. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/78 "2018-03-01T05:35:07Z")
> [@](#): > > “Out in the firearms community there is a great feeling of betrayal and abandonment, because of the support he was given in his campaign for president,” Tony Fabian, president of the Colorado Sports Shooting Association, said Friday. Translation: We bought him fair and square, and we expected him to remain bought. Small thread derail, but we’re never going to make significant progress as a nation until news anchors stop pretending that campaign contributions are anything less than legal bribes. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/79 "2018-03-01T14:03:35Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > … > Raising the minimum age from 18 to 21 doesn’t strike me as all that significant, but maybe it will move the conversation a little in the right direction. > … The NRA seems to think it’s catastrophically significant. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450/80 "2018-03-01T14:29:15Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > No, the SAF and GOA folk are more extreme. Oh, no doubt they are. I’m just suggesting those Americans who are currently NRA members are more likely to find common cause with groups like those than with mainstream America at this point. . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/nra-no-way-companies-affiliated-re-thinking-things-due-to-parkland/809450.md?page=5)